whose bright idea was it?

Rellwood · 07-01-2020, 04:05 AM

To add the "permanently delete book/doc" on the Kindle?

I have been deleting docs thinking they were deleted from my library and now I see I can do it with books too?

Seriously? It is so easy to accidentally delete a book this way.

Go back to needing to delete books and docs by the website, or at least have a setting that allows kindle deleting to be hidden.

Deskisamess · 07-01-2020, 09:07 AM

You get a pop up that asks you to confirm, so you can't "accidentally" delete the book as long as you read that message and hit cancel.

If you select Delete after the warning, it's not accidental, it's a deliberate choice.

Paperbackstash · 07-01-2020, 10:04 AM

Yeah, I can see some confusion and accidents resulting from it myself. I'm not going to be using the new feature when it pops up. It may have by now on my paperwhite and I may not have noticed yet.

shalym · 07-01-2020, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

You get a pop up that asks you to confirm, so you can't "accidentally" delete the book as long as you read that message and hit cancel.

If you select Delete after the warning, it's not accidental, it's a deliberate choice.

Yes. The actual text of the warning is:

Quote:

This will permanently delete "(book title)" from your library on all of your devices. If you wish to read this title again, it will need to be repurchased.

Seems to be pretty clear what will happen if you press the "YES, DELETE" button after that.

Shari

Quoth · 07-01-2020, 01:55 PM

Also DO NOT RELY ON THE so called CLOUD.

Use Download to PC and back up everything. Then it doesn't matter if you "Delete".

I practically only delete spam emails. I've hardly deleted anything since 1995. Storage sizes grow faster than my documents.

Rellwood · 07-01-2020, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

You get a pop up that asks you to confirm, so you can't "accidentally" delete the book as long as you read that message and hit cancel.

If you select Delete after the warning, it's not accidental, it's a deliberate choice.

I saw that last night. I think what happened was a couple of days ago I saw the "permanantly delete book" option for one of my docs, and thinking this meant that it had been deleted from my library, I deleted it. I would have agreed to the delete since I figured that was the only reason it was offered.

Last night when I saw it available again for both books and docs, I didn't test it to find out if there was a pop-up. Although, I accidentally sent the same doc twice, so it was then when I saw the pop-up. Before that I was afraid to even think about selecting it.

I felt much better about it.

The initial post was sent before seeing the popup, but still....

Rellwood · 07-01-2020, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

Also DO NOT RELY ON THE so called CLOUD.

Use Download to PC and back up everything. Then it doesn't matter if you "Delete".

I practically only delete spam emails. I've hardly deleted anything since 1995. Storage sizes grow faster than my documents.

I have EVERYTHING from the past 6 years on my computer. I use Calibre. I just hate it that the idea of a paid book can be deleted. I send everything to Amazon so that I can put them in collections and I don't have to sideload everything each time I want to update my books.

Plus I have a Goodreads account and it seems that only books purchased through Amazon can be updated through the Kindle to Goodreads.

tomsem · 07-02-2020, 02:20 AM

This could be useful if you get free books and they turn out to be duds. Also for Docs that you don’t need around any more. Or for public library borrows that might be there but not really available for download. Apart from that I don’t think I’d delete books I’d actually paid for.

patrickt · 07-02-2020, 10:29 AM

Okay, I'll confess, it was me. I made the suggestion to Jeff one day over coffee. I still think the suggestion was fine but the implementation was off. The two commands should be one after the other. The new, permanently delete, should be the last item on the menu.

NullNix · 07-02-2020, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

Also DO NOT RELY ON THE so called CLOUD.

True in most cases... but the only worry here is Amazon (accidentally or on purpose) deleting your stuff, which they can do remotely anyway.

If the Amazon cloud actually goes down or disappears, you'll know: a huge chunk of the Internet's sites would stop working. By this point, AWS is a foundational service (just one run by a commercial provider).

badgoodDeb · 07-02-2020, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt

Okay, I'll confess, it was me. I made the suggestion to Jeff one day over coffee. I still think the suggestion was fine but the implementation was off. The two commands should be one after the other. The new, permanently delete, should be the last item on the menu.

Having not seen these yet, can you describe how they are located? I presume there is still a "delete from kindle" available too.

jhowell · 07-02-2020, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Having not seen these yet, can you describe how they are located? I presume there is still a "delete from kindle" available too.

"Remove Download" deletes from the kindle. Here is an example from my Oasis.

tomsem · 07-02-2020, 10:33 PM

I think Samples are different now as well. IIRC, you’d choose Remove and then it would ask if you wanted to remove from device and also from cloud. Now there’s Remove Download and Remove From Library. Not sure it would not have worked to share terms (Remove From Library is effectively the same as Permanently Delete), but whatever.

Barbara1955 · 07-03-2020, 01:14 AM

All mine Fire 10 does is Delete from the device …. NOT All devices Not from my Amazon Contents … just from the Fire 10 …

rashkae · 07-03-2020, 04:54 AM

Re-Purchased???? I can understanding wanting to delete books from your library so they don't show up on devices or what not,, but surely amazon could have (like everyone else, I think,) implemented a system that would remember in the back end you own the title, in case you ever decide to re-add it. That's just crazy.

07-01-2020, 04:05 AM	#1
Rellwood Library Breeder (She/Her) Posts: 1,265 Karma: 1937891 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Fullerton, California Device: Paperwhite 2015 (2), PW 2024 (12 GEN), PW 2023 (11 GEN), Scribe (1st)	whose bright idea was it? To add the "permanently delete book/doc" on the Kindle? I have been deleting docs thinking they were deleted from my library and now I see I can do it with books too? Seriously? It is so easy to accidentally delete a book this way. Go back to needing to delete books and docs by the website, or at least have a setting that allows kindle deleting to be hidden.

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Deskisamess Wizard Posts: 2,752 Karma: 45301087 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Ohio Device: iPhone 13 Pro, iPad mini, iPad Pro 12.9",Paperwhite 6.8", Scribe 2022	You get a pop up that asks you to confirm, so you can't "accidentally" delete the book as long as you read that message and hit cancel. If you select Delete after the warning, it's not accidental, it's a deliberate choice.

07-01-2020, 10:04 AM	#3
Paperbackstash Wizard Posts: 1,656 Karma: 20102554 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Central Florida Device: Oasis 3, PW 3 & 5, Fire HD 8 & 10	Yeah, I can see some confusion and accidents resulting from it myself. I'm not going to be using the new feature when it pops up. It may have by now on my paperwhite and I may not have noticed yet.

07-01-2020, 01:55 PM	#5
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,016 Karma: 105092227 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	Also DO NOT RELY ON THE so called CLOUD. Use Download to PC and back up everything. Then it doesn't matter if you "Delete". I practically only delete spam emails. I've hardly deleted anything since 1995. Storage sizes grow faster than my documents.

07-02-2020, 02:20 AM	#8
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,939 Karma: 27060151 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	This could be useful if you get free books and they turn out to be duds. Also for Docs that you don’t need around any more. Or for public library borrows that might be there but not really available for download. Apart from that I don’t think I’d delete books I’d actually paid for.

07-02-2020, 10:29 AM	#9
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	Okay, I'll confess, it was me. I made the suggestion to Jeff one day over coffee. I still think the suggestion was fine but the implementation was off. The two commands should be one after the other. The new, permanently delete, should be the last item on the menu.

07-02-2020, 10:33 PM	#13
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,939 Karma: 27060151 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	I think Samples are different now as well. IIRC, you’d choose Remove and then it would ask if you wanted to remove from device and also from cloud. Now there’s Remove Download and Remove From Library. Not sure it would not have worked to share terms (Remove From Library is effectively the same as Permanently Delete), but whatever.

07-03-2020, 01:14 AM	#14
Barbara1955 Non-Techy Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders	All mine Fire 10 does is Delete from the device …. NOT All devices Not from my Amazon Contents … just from the Fire 10 …

07-03-2020, 04:54 AM	#15
rashkae Wizard Posts: 1,274 Karma: 5935030 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Kobo Aura HD	Re-Purchased???? I can understanding wanting to delete books from your library so they don't show up on devices or what not,, but surely amazon could have (like everyone else, I think,) implemented a system that would remember in the back end you own the title, in case you ever decide to re-add it. That's just crazy.

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