Clara HD Sorting books without Calibre

[Lebowsky]

Hi!

When I see all my books, without filtering by author, I would like to sort my books by Author, Series and then Title. Is this possible without appending the series name + index to the Title?

I am not using Calibre, only EPUB MetadataEditor, in which you can edit all metadata. If I take the example of Herbert's Dune series book 2 and 3, I have:

Author: Frank Herbert
File as: Herbert, Frank
Title: Dune Messiah
File as: Dune 2 - Dune Messiah
Series: Dune
Index: 2

Author: Frank Herbert
File as: Herbert, Frank
Title: Children of Dune
File as: Dune 3 - Children of Dune
Series: Dune
Index: 3

But if I sort by Author, or even title, these are sorted incorrectly (Children of Dune comes before Dune Messiah).

Funnily, Authors are sorted correctly by last name, so using the FileAs field, but Titles are not (sorted by the Title field).

If I sort by series, then Series are ignored, all series are mixed up and sorted by title only, ignoring TitleFileAs. And title sorts by title, ignoring TitleFileAs too.

Is there a way to configure this in the Kobo or am I stuck with having to re-edit th metadata on most of my epubs?

Thanks!

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Lebowsky

Hi!

When I see all my books, without filtering by author, I would like to sort my books by Author, Series and then Title. Is this possible without appending the series name + index to the Title?

I am not using Calibre, only EPUB MetadataEditor, in which you can edit all metadata. If I take the example of Herbert's Dune series book 2 and 3, I have:

Author: Frank Herbert
File as: Herbert, Frank
Title: Dune Messiah
File as: Dune 2 - Dune Messiah
Series: Dune
Index: 2

Author: Frank Herbert
File as: Herbert, Frank
Title: Children of Dune
File as: Dune 3 - Children of Dune
Series: Dune
Index: 3

But if I sort by Author, or even title, these are sorted incorrectly (Children of Dune comes before Dune Messiah).

Funnily, Authors are sorted correctly by last name, so using the FileAs field, but Titles are not (sorted by the Title field).

If I sort by series, then Series are ignored, all series are mixed up and sorted by title only, ignoring TitleFileAs. And title sorts by title, ignoring TitleFileAs too.

Is there a way to configure this in the Kobo or am I stuck with having to re-edit th metadata on most of my epubs?

Thanks!

Does your Kobo display the Series name and index? I would be very surprised if it does since epub2 does not have a standard for series/index though calibre's series information is as close to a standard as it comes. Epub3 does support series but I am not aware of any ereaders that support that functionality.

Geek1011's seriesmeta utility will work without calibre to write the series info though I personally think that calibre is the better solution to managing your ebook collection.

And I would expect [C]hildren of Dune to sort before [D]une since C comes before D in the alphabet and Kobo uses the Dublin Core legacy "<dc:title id="id">" not the "<meta refines="#id" property="file-as">" as the title.

[Lebowsky]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Kobo uses the Dublin Core legacy "<dc:title id="id">" not the "<meta refines="#id" property="file-as">" as the title.

Thanks, thats good to know. But what does it do for the author? Because it really is sorted based on what I wrote in the author file-as field.

And you're right, no, the series name and index are not displayed at all.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Lebowsky

Thanks, thats good to know. But what does it do for the author? Because it really is sorted based on what I wrote in the author file-as field.

And you're right, no, the series name and index are not displayed at all.

AFAIK, Kobo uses the dc:creator field for the author. In epub2, with multiple authors, you can see:

    <dc:creator opf:role="aut" opf:file-as="Flint, Eric &amp; Freer, Dave &amp; Lackey, Mercedes">Eric Flint</dc:creator>
    <dc:creator opf:role="aut">Dave Freer</dc:creator>
    <dc:creator opf:role="aut">Mercedes Lackey</dc:creator>

However, I'm not sure if that will show all the authors on a Kobo.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by DNSB

AFAIK, Kobo uses the dc:creator field for the author. In epub2, with multiple authors, you can see:

    <dc:creator opf:role="aut" opf:file-as="Flint, Eric &amp; Freer, Dave &amp; Lackey, Mercedes">Eric Flint</dc:creator>
    <dc:creator opf:role="aut">Dave Freer</dc:creator>
    <dc:creator opf:role="aut">Mercedes Lackey</dc:creator>

However, I'm not sure if that will show all the authors on a Kobo.

Kobo only uses the first dc:creator it finds. And, it assumes the authors are "FN1 LN1, FN2 LN2".

@Lebowsky: Sorting is multiple levels:

• Author: author (LN, FN) then title
• Title: title then author (LN, FN)
• Series: series name, series index, title

The other sorts should be by whatever they say and then title.

[Lebowsky]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Kobo only uses the first dc:creator it finds. And, it assumes the authors are "FN1 LN1, FN2 LN2".

@Lebowsky: Sorting is multiple levels:

• Author: author (LN, FN) then title
• Title: title then author (LN, FN)
• Series: series name, series index, title

The other sorts should be by whatever they say and then title.

I guess I'll just use author then. What if the author has multiple first names and/or last names?

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by Lebowsky

I guess I'll just use author then. What if the author has multiple first names and/or last names?

It assumes the last word in the name is the surname. Which also means it doesn't handle names like "James Tiptree Jr." or "von Somethingother" properly.

And for the record, sorting by author has been discussed here many times. There have been a few suggestions for how to handle it. And calibre has a few methods to make it fairly easy.