|  12-30-2015, 07:17 AM | #1 | 
| The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠            Posts: 74,433 Karma: 318076944 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Oasis | 
				
				Electronic Circulation Figures?
			 
			
			I subscribe to Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact and Asimov's Science Fiction and The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. They publish annual circulation figures for print copies, but not for electronic copies. Does anyone know whether such figures are publicly available? I have figures for the print version, which are included (usually) in the January issue. They show a drop in print circulation of about 50% over the past ten years, from about 42,000 to 21,000 for Analog, 30,000 to 15,000 for Asimov's. I don't have recent figures for F&SF, but since they dropped to six 'double' issues a while back, I doubt that the news is good there either. (They were only 19,000 in 2005) I'm hoping that electronic versions have been growing in circulation to make the numbers. Otherwise I fear these venerable magazines don't have long. | 
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|  12-30-2015, 08:44 AM | #2 | 
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			I wouldn't expect them to last too much longer. (Maybe a decade.) eBooks have created a paying market for short fiction the magazines can't match and the declining circulation reduces the incentive for authors to accept those terms just for exposure, so I expect that over time submissions will wither away, even from tradpub authors. (Witness Bujold's recent novella being selfpubbed: none of the magazines could match even her first week of sales alone.) The economics aren't in their favor on the author side. On the reader side the incentive for newcomers to buy into the magazines is pretty low--they don't make it easy to buy digital, they haven't even embraced the web like other magazines, there is a growing number of bargain-priced bundles and anthologies, and the competition for "eyeball time" is fierce. And ebook subscription services loom ever more threatening. In a way it is surprising they've hung on as long as they have. Subscriber loyalty/inertia, I suppose. | 
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|  12-30-2015, 06:27 PM | #3 | |
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|  12-30-2015, 08:33 PM | #4 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,158 Karma: 92500001 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles | 
			
			There are also online-only magazines, like Clarkesworld.
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|  12-30-2015, 11:00 PM | #5 | |
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|  12-31-2015, 01:04 AM | #6 | 
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			I subscribe to the ebook editions of Analog and Asimov's as well.  I don't know of any source for online circulation figures, but it can't be good.  I subscribe at B&N -- it's my last connection to B&N -- and I'm only still subscribing because I can get around the roadblocks they've thrown at me.  If B&N gets too hard to deal with (or, goes under) I suspect I'll have to drop them -- the other sources have even bigger problems. The editorial in the most recent (January, 2016) issue asks readers to contact them via email with ideas, advice, feedback, etc. -- I was seriously thinking of taking them up on their offer. In the meantime, I do read Clarkesworld and some of the other online magazines. | 
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|  12-31-2015, 02:07 AM | #7 | 
| Is that a sandwich?            Posts: 8,313 Karma: 103930826 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus | 
			
			Are these figures per issue or yearly totals?
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|  12-31-2015, 05:39 AM | #8 | 
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|  12-31-2015, 08:04 AM | #9 | 
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			They publish ten issues a year.  A one year subscription is $35 so those 22000 subscribers generate about $77k per issue. They pay about 8 cents a word and feature two longer stories and 5 shorts in the latest issue. A rough estimate of about 100k words means they pay out $8000 for the stories and a typical 7k story will bring in $600 or thereabouts. A longer one might bring in $2000. Their current publisher is the aptly-named PENNY PUBLICATIONS. Ouch. | 
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|  12-31-2015, 10:17 AM | #10 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,880 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | Quote: 
 I used to subscribe, but just like physical magazines on my coffee-table, they tend to start "piling up" on my devices unread.  I buy them (emagazines) piecemeal now--whenever something in an issue catches my eye. Last edited by DiapDealer; 12-31-2015 at 10:28 AM. | |
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|  12-31-2015, 01:42 PM | #11 | 
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			We have to add in digital sales and advertising. There probably isn't much overhead to publish these magazines. Hopefully, they could hang on for some time yet.
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|  12-31-2015, 01:55 PM | #12 | 
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			Maybe that the problem. There are too many sci-fi and fantasy magazines diluting the audience.
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|  12-31-2015, 02:16 PM | #13 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,880 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | Quote: 
 Any magazine that's primarily focused on curating stories that have already seen "print" (with a never-before-released story or two thrown in for good measure) will probably be the first to go. Genre magazines running submission-based, first-print short stuff will probably last a while longer, but eventually ... retail à la carte and direct-releases from authors will likely get them all. The stories will all still be available, though. The genre short-story market (especially SFF) is surging. Isn't that the important thing? Last edited by DiapDealer; 12-31-2015 at 02:20 PM. | |
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|  12-31-2015, 05:54 PM | #14 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 Another point is that author income from short stories is also surging. Through discrete sales and subscription services. Subscription services are made to order for that. Last edited by fjtorres; 12-31-2015 at 06:08 PM. | |
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|  12-31-2015, 05:58 PM | #15 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 I said as much. But the advertising revenue depends on circulation just as much as submissions do. Drop low enough and submitting stories or ads may not be worth it. Any edition depends on content they can afford; first world rights at 8 cents a word may not be viable unto eternity. The issue isn't print vs digital but the emergence of alternate channels. | |
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