Finalists: 2015 Hugo Award

jgaiser · 04-04-2015, 10:20 PM

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/201...fiction-links/

Hugo award finalists have been announced. For a second year in a row, a group of people have gamed the nominations. I wasn't planning on purchasing a membership this year, but I'm considering to pay my fees so I can vote "No Award" for a large block of the nominations.

JSWolf · 04-05-2015, 12:15 AM

Yes, the hugos have been gamed and are now worthless. HAve a look at these three links for information on the gaming of the Hugos.

http://file770.com/?p=21708
http://www.teleread.com/award/sad-puppies-sad-gits/
http://io9.com/the-hugo-awards-were-...nly-1695721604

Ekaros · 04-05-2015, 03:05 AM

The group "gaming" them suggest that they actually didn't have best quality in recent years. And the group who was controlling them did seem to have certain extreme tendencies and corruption... Is this true?

caleb72 · 04-05-2015, 04:44 AM

Hmmm - selection for best novel didn't really grab me.

DrNefario · 04-05-2015, 05:28 AM

Wow, the sad puppies have really succeeded in ruining it for everyone. Round of sarcastic applause.

I doubt I'll be bothering with a supporting membership this year. I really want to read the Goblin Emperor, but I guess I'll just buy it the old way. I already own Ancillary Sword, and I've already read Lines of Departure (which I liked, but not as much the first one.) From a quick glance, the other categories stink, and I dont think I want to clutter up my TBR with all that garbage.

Ekaros: The Hugos have never been "controlled". They are open to anyone willing to pay for a Worldcon membership, as is clearly demonstrated by this shortlist. This is just a way that these people can cast themselves as oppressed victims to rally support. Sure, I didn't think Redshirts was that great, either, but this is so far from being the answer. Ugh.

Dr. Drib · 04-05-2015, 08:20 AM

These new-fangled writers leave a lot to be desired.

Butcher's just a guy who continues to rewrite his character's adventures, churning them out one after another like a robot on oily drugs. Anderson had somethin' or other to do with Herbert, didn't he? Doggone it! Doggone it all!

Why isn't Edmond Hamilton, Clifford D. Simak, and Jack Williamson on the list?

Someone said they were dead, but I don't buy that crap. That's no excuse where I come from.

Give me the good old authors of yesteryear, when science fiction made sense and reading was fun - where no astronaut had to use the bathroom.

AND YOU RECOGNIZED THEIR NAMES!

That's what I'm sayin'.

kennyc · 04-05-2015, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

These new-fangled writers leave a lot to be desired.

Butcher's just a guy who continues to rewrite his character's adventures, churning them out one after another like a robot on oily drugs. ......

That's kinda my thought as well. I had no idea he was nominated, but was actually doing some googling yesterday to find out more about him, seems a hack to me.

kennyc · 04-05-2015, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgaiser

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/201...fiction-links/

Hugo award finalists have been announced. For a second year in a row, a group of people have gamed the nominations. I wasn't planning on purchasing a membership this year, but I'm considering to pay my fees so I can vote "No Award" for a large block of the nominations.

Holy Sh*t, that's pathetic. I only recognized three names and two of them were semiprozines the other was Mike Resnick.

DiapDealer · 04-05-2015, 09:28 AM

Everyone raved about Leckie's previous novel, and I read and loved The Goblin Emperor before it was a Hugo nomination. I'm not saying the Hugo's not being gamed (or that it doesn't suck that it is), but the fact remains that there ARE some worthy nominations this year (and every year). There's never going to be a consensus that the shortlist had all the books/authors it SHOULD have had regardless. If you care about the award (and in all honesty, I can't say that I really do), I'd say the best course of action would be to continue to vote for works you find worthy (based solely on their own merits) and ignore the campaigning. If you find nothing of merit ... so be it. That's a valid vote, too.

Just vote for works (if you can)--not for or against campaigns/slates--and everything will straighten itself out eventually. Or it won't, and the Hugo will become a footnote. Which wouldn't be the end of the world (or even the end of SFF).

jwhayn · 04-05-2015, 09:29 AM

I read many of these authors unlike previous years so I am satisfied. Good to see Baen better represented.

fjtorres · 04-05-2015, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

These new-fangled writers leave a lot to be desired.

Butcher's just a guy who continues to rewrite his character's adventures, churning them out one after another like a robot on oily drugs. Anderson had somethin' or other to do with Herbert, didn't he? Doggone it! Doggone it all!

Why isn't Edmond Hamilton, Clifford D. Simak, and Jack Williamson on the list?

Someone said they were dead, but I don't buy that crap. That's no excuse where I come from.

Give me the good old authors of yesteryear, when science fiction made sense and reading was fun - where no astronaut had to use the bathroom.

AND YOU RECOGNIZED THEIR NAMES!

That's what I'm sayin'.

There's plenty of recognizable names producing good stuff by they aren't owned by Tor or fronted by Sad Puppies.

900 votes to nominate.
6000 voted last year.

Anybody willing to pony up $50 votes.

Meh.

Let them whine and fight.

Use the time to read something fun like FIRST CONTRACT or LIVE FREE OR DIE.
Especially the latter; Hamilton would be proud of that one and the sequels. Modern Space Opera with humor, style, and good science.

(I'm rereading it now. Still getting laughs from the MAPLE SYRUP WAR segment.)

I've read Butcher. Competent.
Hardly Hugo Worthy compared to the Andersons, Vinges or Nivens of the past.
Preferred the show, though.

kennyc · 04-05-2015, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjtorres

There's plenty of recognizable names producing good stuff by they aren't owned by Tor or fronted by Sad Puppies.

900 votes to nominate.
6000 voted last year.

Anybody willing to pony up $50 votes.

Meh.

Let them whine and fight.

Use the time to read something fun like FIRST CONTRACT or LIVE FREE OR DIE.
Especially the latter; Hamilton would be proud of that one and the sequels. Modern Space Opera with humor, style, and good science.

(I'm rereading it now. Still getting laughs from the MAPLE SYRUP WAR segment.)

I've read Butcher. Competent.
Hardly Hugo Worthy compared to the Andersons, Vinges or Nivens of the past.
Preferred the show, though.

pwalker8 · 04-05-2015, 10:18 AM

The Hugos have been all about internal politics for years. It's nothing particularly new. SF&F has been somewhat cliquish for quite a few years. I went to Worldcon way back in 1986 when it was in Atlanta (dang, has it really been that long?) It was a really interesting experience, but more to the point, people talked about how political it was back then. I'm thinking that I can already guess which novel is going to win, not because I've read them all and can say which is best, but based on the subjects of each and which is the most politically correct.

Dr. Drib · 04-05-2015, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

Holy Sh*t, that's pathetic. I only recognized three names and two of them were semiprozines the other was Mike Resnick.

Mike Resnick's one of the 'good guys' on my list, since he's a huge admirer (and friends) with one of my favorite SF writers: Barry Malzberg.

pwalker8 · 04-05-2015, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjtorres

There's plenty of recognizable names producing good stuff by they aren't owned by Tor or fronted by Sad Puppies.

900 votes to nominate.
6000 voted last year.

Anybody willing to pony up $50 votes.

Meh.

Let them whine and fight.

Use the time to read something fun like FIRST CONTRACT or LIVE FREE OR DIE.
Especially the latter; Hamilton would be proud of that one and the sequels. Modern Space Opera with humor, style, and good science.

(I'm rereading it now. Still getting laughs from the MAPLE SYRUP WAR segment.)

I've read Butcher. Competent.
Hardly Hugo Worthy compared to the Andersons, Vinges or Nivens of the past.
Preferred the show, though.

Different strokes for different folks. I like Butcher a lot. He's a bit like Jerry Pournelle during the 80's in that he writes books that are hugely popular (multiple books on the NYT best seller list) yet don't win the awards.

04-04-2015, 10:20 PM	#1
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,283 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	Finalists: 2015 Hugo Award http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/201...fiction-links/ Hugo award finalists have been announced. For a second year in a row, a group of people have gamed the nominations. I wasn't planning on purchasing a membership this year, but I'm considering to pay my fees so I can vote "No Award" for a large block of the nominations.

04-05-2015, 08:20 AM	#6
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 45,441 Karma: 59592133 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: KINDLE: Oasis 3, Scribe (1st), Matcha; KOBO: Libra 2, Libra Colour	These new-fangled writers leave a lot to be desired. Butcher's just a guy who continues to rewrite his character's adventures, churning them out one after another like a robot on oily drugs. Anderson had somethin' or other to do with Herbert, didn't he? Doggone it! Doggone it all! Why isn't Edmond Hamilton, Clifford D. Simak, and Jack Williamson on the list? Someone said they were dead, but I don't buy that crap. That's no excuse where I come from. Give me the good old authors of yesteryear, when science fiction made sense and reading was fun - where no astronaut had to use the bathroom. AND YOU RECOGNIZED THEIR NAMES! That's what I'm sayin'. Last edited by Dr. Drib; 04-05-2015 at 08:25 AM.

04-05-2015, 09:28 AM	#9
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,569 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Everyone raved about Leckie's previous novel, and I read and loved The Goblin Emperor before it was a Hugo nomination. I'm not saying the Hugo's not being gamed (or that it doesn't suck that it is), but the fact remains that there ARE some worthy nominations this year (and every year). There's never going to be a consensus that the shortlist had all the books/authors it SHOULD have had regardless. If you care about the award (and in all honesty, I can't say that I really do), I'd say the best course of action would be to continue to vote for works you find worthy (based solely on their own merits) and ignore the campaigning. If you find nothing of merit ... so be it. That's a valid vote, too. Just vote for works (if you can)--not for or against campaigns/slates--and everything will straighten itself out eventually. Or it won't, and the Hugo will become a footnote. Which wouldn't be the end of the world (or even the end of SFF). Last edited by DiapDealer; 04-05-2015 at 09:35 AM.

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04-05-2015, 12:15 AM	#2
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,749 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Yes, the hugos have been gamed and are now worthless. HAve a look at these three links for information on the gaming of the Hugos. http://file770.com/?p=21708 http://www.teleread.com/award/sad-puppies-sad-gits/ http://io9.com/the-hugo-awards-were-...nly-1695721604

04-05-2015, 03:05 AM	#3
Ekaros Illiterate newbie Posts: 661 Karma: 1702090 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Finland Device: Sony PRS-T1	The group "gaming" them suggest that they actually didn't have best quality in recent years. And the group who was controlling them did seem to have certain extreme tendencies and corruption... Is this true?

04-05-2015, 04:44 AM	#4
caleb72 Indie Advocate Posts: 2,863 Karma: 18794463 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Device: Kindle	Hmmm - selection for best novel didn't really grab me.

04-05-2015, 05:28 AM	#5
DrNefario Wizard Posts: 2,203 Karma: 12029046 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Device: Kindle, Kobo Touch, Nook SimpleTouch	Wow, the sad puppies have really succeeded in ruining it for everyone. Round of sarcastic applause. I doubt I'll be bothering with a supporting membership this year. I really want to read the Goblin Emperor, but I guess I'll just buy it the old way. I already own Ancillary Sword, and I've already read Lines of Departure (which I liked, but not as much the first one.) From a quick glance, the other categories stink, and I dont think I want to clutter up my TBR with all that garbage. Ekaros: The Hugos have never been "controlled". They are open to anyone willing to pay for a Worldcon membership, as is clearly demonstrated by this shortlist. This is just a way that these people can cast themselves as oppressed victims to rally support. Sure, I didn't think Redshirts was that great, either, but this is so far from being the answer. Ugh.

04-05-2015, 09:29 AM	#10
jwhayn Enthusiast Posts: 42 Karma: 2685 Join Date: Aug 2004 Device: Kindle Voyage	I read many of these authors unlike previous years so I am satisfied. Good to see Baen better represented.

04-05-2015, 10:18 AM	#13
pwalker8 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,196 Karma: 70314280 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2	The Hugos have been all about internal politics for years. It's nothing particularly new. SF&F has been somewhat cliquish for quite a few years. I went to Worldcon way back in 1986 when it was in Atlanta (dang, has it really been that long?) It was a really interesting experience, but more to the point, people talked about how political it was back then. I'm thinking that I can already guess which novel is going to win, not because I've read them all and can say which is best, but based on the subjects of each and which is the most politically correct.

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