Hyperlinks Under Attack...

[wodin]

Does that make this post a copyright violation?

[eschwartz]

Obviously, it will be illegal to link to the new law.

So no one will hear of the law.


Aside: I regret to say, I did not actually think the EU was that stupid. In fact, I thought it was not biologically possible for anyone to be that stupid.
I should never have underestimated the power of stupidity.

[eschwartz]

My initial reaction was "Haha, very funny. But that wouldn't even make a good Onion article. It's too unbelievable".

And then I looked around.
And considering some of the things that recently came out of Europe, I had to re-evaluate.
I really did seriously underestimate their sheer awesome stupidity. Which is hard!

[poohbear_nc]

Is it April 1 in Europe?

[fjtorres]

That isn't the only reactionary proposal floating around on that side of the pind:
http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/1...ne-convention/

Basically, some folks are offended that Google (and others) makes money off the internet.
In the end they'll just follow the chijese example and firewall europe.

[crossi]

Fine. Implement such a law. Then remove all hyperlinks leading to European based online businesses. What fun. Their economy is doing so well they obviously do not need the money from online sales. You couldn't even look up their phone numbers and adresses for doing any business with them. Absolute idiots.

[DuckieTigger]

What happens if you write down the address of a link without making it a clickable thing?

What about putting a link in like this: http://goo.gl/bOnpYf ?

[murg]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

What happens if you write down the address of a link without making it a clickable thing?

What about putting a link in like this: http://goo.gl/bOnpYf ?

I wonder if you were to publish a webpage with all the permutations of a short url (such as the above), if you can claim copyright on all those permutations?

For example, goo.gl/bOnpYg is the next in line (assuming no check digit). Can I issue a DMCA take-down notice to whomsoever uses it (assuming that I published it first)?

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by murg

I wonder if you were to publish a webpage with all the permutations of a short url (such as the above), if you can claim copyright on all those permutations?

For example, goo.gl/bOnpYg is the next in line (assuming no check digit). Can I issue a DMCA take-down notice to whomsoever uses it (assuming that I published it first)?

Except my link works and yours doesn't.

[theducks]

Hyperlinks (hyperlinking) would be a Patent

This IP thing has gotten absurd.
Did Ernest Hemingways estate issue a letter of permission to use the text on that page you linked to?

How does hyperlinking to a complete Page deprive the content owner?
In the regular world, this is just called a 'referral': "Go see Mike at the corner garage". Is my mouth next to be under attack by lawyers?

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by theducks

Hyperlinks (hyperlinking) would be a Patent

This IP thing has gotten absurd.
Did Ernest Hemingways estate issue a letter of permission to use the text on that page you linked to?

How does hyperlinking to a complete Page deprive the content owner?
In the regular world, this is just called a 'referral': "Go see Mike at the corner garage". Is my mouth next to be under attack by lawyers?

Not in the US.
That much is settled law.
Things are different elsewhere.

Again, the core idea of copyright is different on both sides of the pond; in the US copyright exists to serve the public while elsewhere it exists to serve the creator. Which is why fair use is so broad in the US and restricted to legally enumerated cases elsewhere. Here the copyright holder has to prove a violation instead of the target having to identify a chapter and verse justification.

Check this:
http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/1...her-clickbait/

I'm not as sanguine about it as Nate as I can easily see it happening as part of the low intensity economic war the EU has been waging against the tech giants for the last two decades and more. GE, Boeing, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon... at one time or another laws and legal rulings have been issued with the sole purpose of harming those and others. Copyrighting links fits right in with the snippet proposal and the Spanish liniing fees.

[pdurrant]

It's all down to foolish lobbying from big media corporations (especially newspapers).

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

Which is why fair use is so broad in the US and restricted to legally enumerated cases elsewhere. Here the copyright holder has to prove a violation instead of the target having to identify a chapter and verse justification.

That's not entirely true. Remember, "fair use" is a defence against copyright infringement, so by claiming a defence of fair use you yourself are admitting that you've violated someone's copyright. It's then the job of the court to judge whether or not your use of the copyright holder's material falls within the usage limits granted under "fair use".

[crossi]

No if it's fair use you have NOT violated their rights. They are claimng rights that they never had and so violating YOUR rights. It is saying that what you are doing is not violating their rights in any way.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by crossi

No if it's fair use you have NOT violated their rights. They are claimng rights that they never had and so violating YOUR rights. It is saying that what you are doing is not violating their rights in any way.

True, if the court rules that the usage is "fair use", you haven't violated their rights, but that judgement can only occur as the result of you making use of copyrighted material and then claiming "fair use" as a defence when legal action is taken against you as a result.