Using ordered lists

lwalper · 07-31-2014, 12:37 AM

Is there any way to make an ordered list display properly? The <ol type="a" start="2"> does not display a new list beginning with the letter "b". All ordered lists begin with "a". I know that the "start" code has been deprecated in HTML5 -- so is there any way to make the ordered lists work properly?

eschwartz · 07-31-2014, 03:15 AM

The problem is that Real Devices Hate Lists. For instance, my Kindle Touch resets list elements back to the default (and assumes they are the first element) at total random.

HarryT · 07-31-2014, 03:36 AM

Please use the forums correctly. Moved to the "Workshop" forum.

HarryT · 07-31-2014, 03:39 AM

Nobody can answer your question without some context. What platform are you talking about? A web site? A Kindle book? An ePub book?

lwalper · 07-31-2014, 09:36 AM

Platform:
Android readers -- any variety I've tried. Have downloaded/installed several on rooted Nook color, Nook tablet, Samsung Galaxy Note. None seem to read the <start> code correctly.
Calibre on PC reads it correctly.
iBooks on iPod reads it correctly.
Google Chrome reads it correctly.

The problem seems to be how readers/browsers interpret HTML and how strict they are in sticking to HTML4 or 5 and deprecating that <start> command.

I suppose my real question is one of coding in Sigil. That software automatically inserts all of the XML version information at the top of the document. Would removing that info correct the reader problem?? allowing the reader to work in HTML5 mode which allows the <start> command to work properly?

If removing that info from the document will correct the issue, how do I do it? When I delete that and leave only the HTML5 required coding Sigil automatically corrects my "bad" coding and reinserts all the XML information. How do I turn that automatic correcting feature off in Sigil?

mrmikel · 07-31-2014, 11:14 AM

Start and type are not valid in epubs. Generally people just put in the numbers or letters required. Unless you are working on an item which is changing continually such as a procedure manual for a government agency, it is actually easier to just use the numbers because deleting does not destroy the number or alphabetic sequence.

E-reader devices are not web browsers in which this web coding works.

lwalper · 07-31-2014, 12:35 PM

So, replace the lists with numbers / letters and use CSS to style the "list"? I was under the impression that the readers were more accurate in their interpretation of HTML. Guess I was wrong

Can do.

Thanks

eschwartz · 07-31-2014, 02:33 PM

Yes.

What do you mean by "accurate"? Readers accurately (as accurately as browsers I should think) understand the html and css subset which is in the ebook specs.

Readers are less tolerant of faulty html but that is a different matter entirely.

07-31-2014, 12:37 AM	#1
lwalper Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2014 Device: none	Using ordered lists Is there any way to make an ordered list display properly? The <ol type="a" start="2"> does not display a new list beginning with the letter "b". All ordered lists begin with "a". I know that the "start" code has been deprecated in HTML5 -- so is there any way to make the ordered lists work properly?

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07-31-2014, 03:15 AM	#2
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	The problem is that Real Devices Hate Lists. For instance, my Kindle Touch resets list elements back to the default (and assumes they are the first element) at total random.

07-31-2014, 03:36 AM	#3
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Please use the forums correctly. Moved to the "Workshop" forum.

07-31-2014, 03:39 AM	#4
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Nobody can answer your question without some context. What platform are you talking about? A web site? A Kindle book? An ePub book?

07-31-2014, 09:36 AM	#5
lwalper Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2014 Device: none	Platform: Android readers -- any variety I've tried. Have downloaded/installed several on rooted Nook color, Nook tablet, Samsung Galaxy Note. None seem to read the <start> code correctly. Calibre on PC reads it correctly. iBooks on iPod reads it correctly. Google Chrome reads it correctly. The problem seems to be how readers/browsers interpret HTML and how strict they are in sticking to HTML4 or 5 and deprecating that <start> command. I suppose my real question is one of coding in Sigil. That software automatically inserts all of the XML version information at the top of the document. Would removing that info correct the reader problem?? allowing the reader to work in HTML5 mode which allows the <start> command to work properly? If removing that info from the document will correct the issue, how do I do it? When I delete that and leave only the HTML5 required coding Sigil automatically corrects my "bad" coding and reinserts all the XML information. How do I turn that automatic correcting feature off in Sigil?

07-31-2014, 11:14 AM	#6
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	Start and type are not valid in epubs. Generally people just put in the numbers or letters required. Unless you are working on an item which is changing continually such as a procedure manual for a government agency, it is actually easier to just use the numbers because deleting does not destroy the number or alphabetic sequence. E-reader devices are not web browsers in which this web coding works.

07-31-2014, 12:35 PM	#7
lwalper Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2014 Device: none	So, replace the lists with numbers / letters and use CSS to style the "list"? I was under the impression that the readers were more accurate in their interpretation of HTML. Guess I was wrong Can do. Thanks

07-31-2014, 02:33 PM	#8
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Yes. What do you mean by "accurate"? Readers accurately (as accurately as browsers I should think) understand the html and css subset which is in the ebook specs. Readers are less tolerant of faulty html but that is a different matter entirely.

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