Migrating collections from Kindle Keyboad to new model

Cath · 10-28-2014, 08:14 AM

I've ordered my new kindle, and I can't wait to get it. But a niggly worry has crept in...

Currently I have a kindle keyboard (i.e. no cloud collections). I blithely assumed that there wouldn't be a problem getting those same collections on my new kindle, that they would just transfer automatically. Then I did some reading, and thought, okay, I'll have to import them instead of it happening automatically, but that's okay.

But I wanted to get a headstart on setting my cloud collections, so I installed Kindle for PC. That has the import collections button, but... no devices show up to import from.

Please tell me I won't have to set up all my collections from scratch... that will be enough to make my cancel my order

I have 21 collections containing probably well over 1000 books!

krazy4katz · 10-28-2014, 08:07 PM

I remember importing my collections directly to my kindle after I had imported all my books. My books were automatically placed in the correct collections. It seemed to go OK.

eschwartz · 10-28-2014, 08:49 PM

Your collections should transfer over just fine.

It is merely that Kindle4PC is and has always been a third-class citizen. Yes, it doesn't even rate second-class.

AndyfromVA · 10-29-2014, 02:34 PM

I want to import my collections on my K3 to my new Paperwhite but I have no clue how to do it. I'm very confused by what I've read about this so far.

Can someone please set out the procedure step-by-step?

eschwartz · 10-29-2014, 03:24 PM

I think on any device with Cloud Collections it should automatically just appear, without you doing anything.

On my Kindle Touch (and I assume either PW on fw<=5.4.0) you'd just go to Cloud and select Menu and one of the options is "Import Collections".

AndyfromVA · 10-29-2014, 03:29 PM

My paperwhite doesn't have a menu selection for import collections. The only menu items are shop Kindle store, Kindle FreeTime, Experimental Browser, Settings, View Special Offers, Cover View, Create New Collection and Sync and Check for Items.

eschwartz · 10-29-2014, 03:40 PM

Either of two reasons, probably both:

You are in Device view, not Cloud view.
Your firmware is >=5.4.2 and the option has been removed.

AndyfromVA · 10-29-2014, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Either of two reasons, probably both:

You are in Device view, not Cloud view.
Your firmware is >=5.4.2 and the option has been removed.

My firmware is 5.4.5.1 I guess I'm SOL.

eschwartz · 10-29-2014, 04:50 PM

Yes, if it didn't happen automatically.

There are hacks which do a much better job of creating and importing collections anyway, cf. LibrarianSync

badgoodDeb · 10-29-2014, 04:57 PM

As I'm interested in the question too -- does LibrarianSync require a jailbroken kindle? I'm moving from a K4 to the new Voyage*.
Also -- having looked up LibrarianSync -- does it work on DRMed books?

*Probably -- so far the response to finger presses is underwhelming, in accuracy and speed -- I might have to return it. But that's not the question HERE.

eschwartz · 10-29-2014, 05:32 PM

Yes and yes.

LibrarianSync works on filenames. And it must be run from the Kindle, as the database which manages collections is located on the hidden OS partition.

Anyone looking to hack their Kindle is advised to stick with the PW for the moment. Hopefully we will discover a new jailbreak exploit soon.

Cath · 11-03-2014, 08:33 AM

Darn, it's not working for me either.

Strangely, it did pick up some of my very old collections, that I'd deleted from my KindleKeyboard ages ago. But it didn't pick up any of my current collections, and I don't have an "import collections" button.

It does have all my books, but of course they're all just jumbled together. All 2135 of them

This is going to suck, especially without multi-select (another thing I would have thought they'd have provided by now).

It seems so shortsighted of amazon not to provide a migration path... then again, I guess they don't need to because they sold me a device anyway!

I would have thought that with Cloud Collections they'd let you manage it all online, but I guess that's not going happen either.

Josieb1 · 11-03-2014, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cath

Darn, it's not working for me either.

Strangely, it did pick up some of my very old collections, that I'd deleted from my KindleKeyboard ages ago. But it didn't pick up any of my current collections, and I don't have an "import collections" button.

It does have all my books, but of course they're all just jumbled together. All 2135 of them

This is going to suck, especially without multi-select (another thing I would have thought they'd have provided by now).

It seems so shortsighted of amazon not to provide a migration path... then again, I guess they don't need to because they sold me a device anyway!

I would have thought that with Cloud Collections they'd let you manage it all online, but I guess that's not going happen either.

Do you have an iPad or an andoid tablet? I use the kindle app to create and manage my collections it's much quicker and easier than my Kindle and anything you do on the tablet will sync to your kindle. You can create the collection then select by book cover from all the books in the cloud so it's a quick way to at least get the obvious ones sorted leaving you to manage the more difficult ones afterwards.

Josieb1 · 11-03-2014, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cath

It seems so shortsighted of amazon not to provide a migration path... then again, I guess they don't need to because they sold me a device anyway!

I would have thought that with Cloud Collections they'd let you manage it all online, but I guess that's not going happen either.

You will have a migration path going forwards, it's just the older kindles were never given cloud collections functionlty.

krazy4katz · 11-03-2014, 07:15 PM

My collections on my KK migrated automatically when I turned on the Voyage. I haven't filled them up yet. Most of the books are still in the cloud. I have noticed a few errors, but they might have been mine. For example, having a book in an "unread" collection when it should be in a "read" collection.

Cath, maybe if you turn on your KK and your Voyage and sync the Voyage with the cloud it will work?

10-28-2014, 08:14 AM	#1
Cath Enthusiast Posts: 29 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle Basic 2014	Migrating collections from Kindle Keyboad to new model I've ordered my new kindle, and I can't wait to get it. But a niggly worry has crept in... Currently I have a kindle keyboard (i.e. no cloud collections). I blithely assumed that there wouldn't be a problem getting those same collections on my new kindle, that they would just transfer automatically. Then I did some reading, and thought, okay, I'll have to import them instead of it happening automatically, but that's okay. But I wanted to get a headstart on setting my cloud collections, so I installed Kindle for PC. That has the import collections button, but... no devices show up to import from. Please tell me I won't have to set up all my collections from scratch... that will be enough to make my cancel my order I have 21 collections containing probably well over 1000 books!

10-29-2014, 04:50 PM	#9
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Yes, if it didn't happen automatically. There are hacks which do a much better job of creating and importing collections anyway, cf. LibrarianSync Last edited by eschwartz; 10-29-2014 at 05:33 PM. Reason: typing-on-a-kindle-touch typos.

10-29-2014, 04:57 PM	#10
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,545 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	As I'm interested in the question too -- does LibrarianSync require a jailbroken kindle? I'm moving from a K4 to the new Voyage. Also -- having looked up LibrarianSync -- does it work on DRMed books? Probably -- so far the response to finger presses is underwhelming, in accuracy and speed -- I might have to return it. But that's not the question HERE. Last edited by badgoodDeb; 10-29-2014 at 05:00 PM.

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10-28-2014, 08:07 PM	#2
krazy4katz Addict Posts: 367 Karma: 1552656 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: [Kindle 1, Kindle 3 (KK)], Kindle Voyage, iPad Pro	I remember importing my collections directly to my kindle after I had imported all my books. My books were automatically placed in the correct collections. It seemed to go OK.

10-28-2014, 08:49 PM	#3
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Your collections should transfer over just fine. It is merely that Kindle4PC is and has always been a third-class citizen. Yes, it doesn't even rate second-class.

10-29-2014, 02:34 PM	#4
AndyfromVA Zealot Posts: 127 Karma: 1002610 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook 1E, K3, K4, Paperwhite 2	I want to import my collections on my K3 to my new Paperwhite but I have no clue how to do it. I'm very confused by what I've read about this so far. Can someone please set out the procedure step-by-step?

10-29-2014, 03:24 PM	#5
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	I think on any device with Cloud Collections it should automatically just appear, without you doing anything. On my Kindle Touch (and I assume either PW on fw<=5.4.0) you'd just go to Cloud and select Menu and one of the options is "Import Collections".

10-29-2014, 03:29 PM	#6
AndyfromVA Zealot Posts: 127 Karma: 1002610 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook 1E, K3, K4, Paperwhite 2	My paperwhite doesn't have a menu selection for import collections. The only menu items are shop Kindle store, Kindle FreeTime, Experimental Browser, Settings, View Special Offers, Cover View, Create New Collection and Sync and Check for Items.

10-29-2014, 03:40 PM	#7
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Either of two reasons, probably both: You are in Device view, not Cloud view. Your firmware is >=5.4.2 and the option has been removed.

10-29-2014, 05:32 PM	#11
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Yes and yes. LibrarianSync works on filenames. And it must be run from the Kindle, as the database which manages collections is located on the hidden OS partition. Anyone looking to hack their Kindle is advised to stick with the PW for the moment. Hopefully we will discover a new jailbreak exploit soon.

11-03-2014, 08:33 AM	#12
Cath Enthusiast Posts: 29 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle Basic 2014	Darn, it's not working for me either. Strangely, it did pick up some of my very old collections, that I'd deleted from my KindleKeyboard ages ago. But it didn't pick up any of my current collections, and I don't have an "import collections" button. It does have all my books, but of course they're all just jumbled together. All 2135 of them This is going to suck, especially without multi-select (another thing I would have thought they'd have provided by now). It seems so shortsighted of amazon not to provide a migration path... then again, I guess they don't need to because they sold me a device anyway! I would have thought that with Cloud Collections they'd let you manage it all online, but I guess that's not going happen either.

11-03-2014, 07:15 PM	#15
krazy4katz Addict Posts: 367 Karma: 1552656 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: [Kindle 1, Kindle 3 (KK)], Kindle Voyage, iPad Pro	My collections on my KK migrated automatically when I turned on the Voyage. I haven't filled them up yet. Most of the books are still in the cloud. I have noticed a few errors, but they might have been mine. For example, having a book in an "unread" collection when it should be in a "read" collection. Cath, maybe if you turn on your KK and your Voyage and sync the Voyage with the cloud it will work?

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