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Old 03-12-2014, 01:58 PM   #1
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I buy books and merchandise from Amazon.ca, Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk which Amazon happily sells as it is one more sale to them.

If Kobo has been kobo.com, kobo.ca, kobo.uk, kobo.in (India), etc, would there be any "guilt" if one is to buy a book from Kobo.in?

If there is a new bookstore in India, say "MumbaiBooks.in", would there be any "guilt" if one is to buy a book from MumbaiBooks.in?

If a book sells $10 in US and the same book sells $5 in India, is it wrong for consumers to buy a cheaper product?

Retailers spend time and money on their marketing campaign all for the purpose of selling. That's why Kobo floats discount codes in the market. Selling a book from the India bookstore to a non-Indian resident should be one more sale to Kobo?
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:36 PM   #2
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Your post has been moved out of the Kobo Coupons thread. That thread is not for a philosophical discussion of whether one is feeling guilt or not, or whether it is correct or not to buy outside of one's location. Rather, that thread is for a listing and sharing of coupon codes.


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Old 03-12-2014, 07:45 PM   #3
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:04 PM   #4
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I feel no guilt for buying at any online bookseller and I always look for the one that will either sell it cheaper or get it to me faster, depending upon my desire for the item. Due to my financial situation, my loyalty is first and foremost to my wallet, not theirs.

If it's not available here, I'll buy it from a seller in whatever country is selling it, as long as they are willing to send it to me.

Whenever I buy anything online, I always search out discount codes first.
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Old 03-13-2014, 09:38 AM   #6
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Retailers spend time and money on their marketing campaign all for the purpose of selling. That's why Kobo floats discount codes in the market. Selling a book from the India bookstore to a non-Indian resident should be one more sale to Kobo?
Kobo India might be an entirely different business unit to (say) kobo.ca. They might start wondering why all that marketing spend in Canada is useless, while India does great with no budget.

It could be a different publisher in India. It could well be subsidiary rights with a smaller percentage going back to the author.

Pretending that there's no harm done is just self-deception, I think. There might not be much harm done. There might even be good done, in a few cases (is a $2 sale better than a $4 non-sale?), but I think you have to take responsibility for your decisions.

It is against Kobo's T&Cs to lie about your location. I don't really know if I care about that, but I do feel it's a step too far for me to take in search of a bargain.

I don't feel I have a right to exploit every digital loophole. I know people here in the UK who use a proxy to get the US version of Netflix. I don't do that. I choose not to lie. That's the deal I agreed to.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:32 AM   #7
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I don't try and jump through hoops to save a couple of bucks on ebooks. If it is available in the US at a price I like, then I buy it. If it is not available then there are plenty of other books to read. If it is available and I don't like the price, I put it on my wishlist and wait for the price to come down.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:07 AM   #8
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I don't try and jump through hoops to save a couple of bucks on ebooks. If it is available in the US at a price I like, then I buy it. If it is not available then there are plenty of other books to read. If it is available and I don't like the price, I put it on my wishlist and wait for the price to come down.
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Old 03-13-2014, 01:28 PM   #9
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I've been tempted - Penguin doesn't sell the ebook of a favorite title in the US but it is available in the UK.

I'm just trying to give you money, Penguin.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:23 PM   #10
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If Kobo decides to do so, they can close your account if you "travel" regularly. I actually have two accounts; my own, based at my own Dutch address, and one based at the US address of a family member who lives in the US and Netherlands alternately (depending on work). I also manage the Dutch account of an aunt. (A real aunt, with a real e-reader who buys real Dutch books.)

I mostly buy books in the US because the US vs. EUR rate makes them cheaper, and the choice is larger.
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The post was in response to several posts from the discount thread.

As I was saying, I buy books and merchandise from Amazon.ca, Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk which Amazon happily sells as it is one more sale to them.

If Kobo has been kobo.com, kobo.ca, kobo.uk, kobo.in (India), etc, would there be any "guilt" if one is to buy a book from Kobo.in?


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I don't "travel" myself. It just doesn't feel right to me. Books are cheaper in India because people are poorer. Everybody involved gets less money out of the deal: Kobo, the publisher, the author. The only person who materially benefits is the buyer, although yes, it's true that money might not be the most important factor if there's a greater benefit down the line from making a new fan.

It seems that if I want to be dishonest, I could get all these books for free, so where do you draw the line? I draw it this side of lying about my location.

Kind of off-topic, I know, but if other people are going to talk about it, I'm occasionally going to join in.
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It is against Kobo's T&Cs to lie about your location. I don't really know if I care about that, but I do feel it's a step too far for me to take in search of a bargain.
Can you point out to me where is Kobo's T&C said about not able to buy books from a Kobo store outside the customer's home country? I don't seem to see it here:
http://www.kobobooks.com/termsofsales


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I don't feel I have a right to exploit every digital loophole. I know people here in the UK who use a proxy to get the US version of Netflix. I don't do that. I choose not to lie. That's the deal I agreed to.
If Kobo has an issue with people "travelling", it would have shutdown the "loophole" long ago. I think to Kobo, it is another sale to them, they are more than happy to sell one more book if the customer "travels".

(I could be wrong though.. only thing is there is nothing wrong for a person to acquire product/services where it is cheaper elsewhere. Also, it could be hard for Kobo to enforce that in this global world, a person from India may be in the USA for studies or work, and to enforce that would prevent this Indian from buying from Kobo India. Instead, he is forced to buy from Kobo USA because his current address is in USA)
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I've been tempted - Penguin doesn't sell the ebook of a favorite title in the US but it is available in the UK.

I'm just trying to give you money, Penguin.
I constantly run into that with one author in particular: Jasper Fforde. It generally takes about a year after UK release before his books show up in the States. (And yes, Penguin's his US publisher.)

I just don't grok the concept of waiting to release an ebook in one country when it's already available in another.
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Can you point out to me where is Kobo's T&C said about not able to buy books from a Kobo store outside the customer's home country? I don't seem to see it here:
http://www.kobobooks.com/termsofsales
Wrong document:

http://www.kobobooks.com/termsofuse

Specifically, section 3D.
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I constantly run into that with one author in particular: Jasper Fforde. It generally takes about a year after UK release before his books show up in the States. (And yes, Penguin's his US publisher.)

I just don't grok the concept of waiting to release an ebook in one country when it's already available in another.
Looks like Penguin doesn't hold the US rights any longer, so I'll have to stop blaming them - RosettaBooks bought them, but *still* no epub on the title I want.

Patience - not my strong suit. And still tempted to try a Kobo Vacation Destination.
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