Kindle Task Manager development.

zxcvbs · 01-20-2014, 11:04 AM

Hi i wasted yesterday trying to learn how to make applications on Kindle.
I read and searched everything here, dowloaded eclipse, and tried to build something with the sdk and lib jar on the kindle opt folder without success.
Im a beginner developer, how knows something about c, ruby, php. I never toched Java, because i think is an horrible clumsy mess, and yesterday i tried several kindlet code that for some obscure reason it has to be 1.4 compatible. Im neither a good user of eclipse dont even know how to import properly a third party java project and get it running without errors, i prefer sublime text, vi.

At the end on the day i saw TCC as an other option.

Im interested on building a sort of calendar, task manager, app using the kindle as a personal tracker. Dont have a problem if the interface is libncurses based.
The other option is building a website compatible with the kindle experimental browser, with some serverside scripting ruby/python on the net. Or is possible to use sqlite with a localhost site inside the kindle?

What do you think would be the simplest option to develop something focused more on functionality than bypassing framework limitations?

knc1 · 01-20-2014, 12:04 PM

I think that the simplest would be for you to install the existing calendar and personal tracker(s) already posted at this site.

PS: You are not going to learn Kindle development in a single day.
The learning curve is a bit longer than that.

zxcvbs · 01-20-2014, 03:25 PM

Hi, thanks will try to see how i can adapt taskwarrior or pal to my Kindle Keyboard 3, because it was made for pw/touch. Or at least create an arm debian virtualbox machine to deploy some compatible binaries.
This terminal works great on kindle 3
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154500
and has 12x24 size fonts.

brianinmaine · 01-20-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbs

Im interested on building a sort of calendar, task manager, app using the kindle as a personal tracker. Dont have a problem if the interface is libncurses based.
The other option is building a website compatible with the kindle experimental browser, with some serverside scripting ruby/python on the net. Or is possible to use sqlite with a localhost site inside the kindle?

What do you think would be the simplest option to develop something focused more on functionality than bypassing framework limitations?

KUAL and it's extensions have a lot of funtionality. There is even some work done of your proposed apps. Read a bit and see if this is enough? Of course if you intend on going the commercial route, you're probably going to have to go the Java route... For me the hacks are plenty fun. Good luck!

zxcvbs · 01-21-2014, 10:30 AM

Well today i installed a virtualboxed xubuntu and inside it a debian armel: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/
Will see what can i do.

zxcvbs · 01-23-2014, 02:11 PM

Well, finally i made a chroot with a debian multistrap, will see if i can run x, or just install emacs, and its addons.
Is there any gain on replacing entirely kindle os with debian?

eureka · 01-23-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbs

Is there any gain on replacing entirely kindle os with debian?

Ehm... Debian is the gain. All hail Debian supremacy.

zxcvbs · 01-23-2014, 04:03 PM

Yes i know, but will running it fully formating the kindle and installing debian, will have better user experience than loading chroot from time to time?
I want to run some apps, but the main function of my kindle is reading.

knc1 · 01-23-2014, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zxcvbs

Yes i know, but will running it fully formating the kindle and installing debian, will have better user experience than loading chroot from time to time?
I want to run some apps, but the main function of my kindle is reading.

If your main function is reading with your Kindle -
Then leave the Amazon system alone.

Changing the operating system (and making it work) is a tremendous amount of work.
And will most likely only worsen your use of the Kindle for its "main function".

brianinmaine · 01-23-2014, 10:39 PM

As much as I would like to see someone ELSE do a full Debian install - I can't imagine it worth the trouble. The title tricks needed to work with the awesome window manager are a pain, though, so maybe you want to see what has been done with Xephyr - or even stop the current X and run a different X/wm. Twobob was working on that and had it working here somewhere - even ran VLC with a video.

Simple programs can be modified to run native if you hack the title and maybe a few other changes. These hacks are all here somewhere - search and search!

brianinmaine · 01-24-2014, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zxcvbs

Im interested on building a sort of calendar, task manager, app using the kindle as a personal tracker.

have you seen osmo?
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...highlight=osmo

zxcvbs · 01-29-2014, 01:12 PM

Well after a time, i have finished reading , Embedded Linux Primer: A Practical Real-World Approach.
Local chroot is not a good option, this device has wifi, so i will try to boot through tftp plus nfs, and see what can i do from there.
I have the presumption that there is something about laptop displays, fan noises, internet connection, body posture that makes me go crazy, or improductive and tired.
Tired in the way that, one tries to finish reading something for the act of finishing it instead or getting focused on getting in the actual concepts, dispersion/distraction.
Kindle is a good start to actally learn Linux fundamentals.

01-20-2014, 11:04 AM	#1
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Kindle Task Manager development. Hi i wasted yesterday trying to learn how to make applications on Kindle. I read and searched everything here, dowloaded eclipse, and tried to build something with the sdk and lib jar on the kindle opt folder without success. Im a beginner developer, how knows something about c, ruby, php. I never toched Java, because i think is an horrible clumsy mess, and yesterday i tried several kindlet code that for some obscure reason it has to be 1.4 compatible. Im neither a good user of eclipse dont even know how to import properly a third party java project and get it running without errors, i prefer sublime text, vi. At the end on the day i saw TCC as an other option. Im interested on building a sort of calendar, task manager, app using the kindle as a personal tracker. Dont have a problem if the interface is libncurses based. The other option is building a website compatible with the kindle experimental browser, with some serverside scripting ruby/python on the net. Or is possible to use sqlite with a localhost site inside the kindle? What do you think would be the simplest option to develop something focused more on functionality than bypassing framework limitations?

01-23-2014, 02:11 PM	#6
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Well, finally i made a chroot with a debian multistrap, will see if i can run x, or just install emacs, and its addons. Is there any gain on replacing entirely kindle os with debian? Last edited by zxcvbs; 01-23-2014 at 02:15 PM.

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01-20-2014, 12:04 PM	#2
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	I think that the simplest would be for you to install the existing calendar and personal tracker(s) already posted at this site. PS: You are not going to learn Kindle development in a single day. The learning curve is a bit longer than that.

01-20-2014, 03:25 PM	#3
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Hi, thanks will try to see how i can adapt taskwarrior or pal to my Kindle Keyboard 3, because it was made for pw/touch. Or at least create an arm debian virtualbox machine to deploy some compatible binaries. This terminal works great on kindle 3 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154500 and has 12x24 size fonts.

01-21-2014, 10:30 AM	#5
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Well today i installed a virtualboxed xubuntu and inside it a debian armel: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ Will see what can i do.

01-23-2014, 04:03 PM	#8
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Yes i know, but will running it fully formating the kindle and installing debian, will have better user experience than loading chroot from time to time? I want to run some apps, but the main function of my kindle is reading.

01-23-2014, 10:39 PM	#10
brianinmaine Evangelist Posts: 457 Karma: 1287375 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: West Gardiner, Maine Device: Touch (5.3.7)	As much as I would like to see someone ELSE do a full Debian install - I can't imagine it worth the trouble. The title tricks needed to work with the awesome window manager are a pain, though, so maybe you want to see what has been done with Xephyr - or even stop the current X and run a different X/wm. Twobob was working on that and had it working here somewhere - even ran VLC with a video. Simple programs can be modified to run native if you hack the title and maybe a few other changes. These hacks are all here somewhere - search and search!

01-29-2014, 01:12 PM	#12
zxcvbs Member Posts: 21 Karma: 1537188 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: k3	Well after a time, i have finished reading , Embedded Linux Primer: A Practical Real-World Approach. Local chroot is not a good option, this device has wifi, so i will try to boot through tftp plus nfs, and see what can i do from there. I have the presumption that there is something about laptop displays, fan noises, internet connection, body posture that makes me go crazy, or improductive and tired. Tired in the way that, one tries to finish reading something for the act of finishing it instead or getting focused on getting in the actual concepts, dispersion/distraction. Kindle is a good start to actally learn Linux fundamentals.

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