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Schism: the growing gulf between publishers and authors
From Teleread, a summary of an ongoing exchange between the Kensington Publishing CEO and a variety of authors that highlights the growing divergence in world view between tradpub-supporters and authors.
http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/discu...s-and-writers/ Quote:
"Interesting" times are upon us. (Lots more at the sources, approaching novella length.) |
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I just saw that last night. It's an interesting discussion. One of the links in there, about the expectation of editorial feedback, was interesting too. I've been meaning to look at the other links in it in detail.
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I've read about this case from various links to other stories. I have to wonder if this is a "growing gulf" or simply that the existing gulf is coming out into the open.
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It's probably always been there. When people have more options, they tend to no longer find acceptable what they previously had. After the black death, labor became more expensive. This shifted power to the peasants, and led to a great deal of unrest. The tensions were already there, but once the peasants had more leverage, they were less inclined to accept the old relationship they had with the nobility.
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The traditional publishing model is broken, but that doesn't mean there will be a quick end to the publishing houses, only that a new model will slowly develop. I would not be surprised if publishing houses and self publishing did some kind of merge.
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The publishers should offer services on a a la carte basis. You want editing you pay so much per hour. You want a cover they have artists on commision. You want help with legal matters they have lawyers available. You pay up front for the services you want. No different than hiring a contractor to improve your house. You pay them and ownership of house or book stays yours. instead of only offering services to a select few they could expand their business to provide services to as many authors that are willing to pay. They might need to hire many times their current number of employees.
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It has alwsys existed but in recent years as the economic pressure has increased on the publishers they have responded by squeezing the authors with rights grabs, non-compete clauses, Hollywood accounting, self-dealing... and authors are starting to realize they no longer have to take it. So they are talking. And the more authors talk, the more authors realize that getting blacklisted by the publishers is no longer the end of the world. There is life in publishing outside manhattan.
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Check this one: http://studiotendra.com/2014/01/23/e...except-except/ Quote:
http://www.sfwa.org/2013/02/second-c...hydra-imprint/ Quote:
That is a pretty broad divide right there. Last edited by fjtorres; 01-24-2014 at 06:10 AM. |
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It's like having a farm team from which to pick players for the Majors. It's all about building relationships. Last edited by supermighty; 01-24-2014 at 11:38 AM. |
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I wonder if this growing schism might be impacted by the decline of shelf space in bookstores (http://www.idealog.com/blog/future-b...re-publishing/), and whether authors are more inclined to protest in the genres where a majority of the sales are online? The 75-25 niches that Shatzkin mentions. However, it's hard to measure the shelf-space, whether it is changing, and how fast this may be happening.
I suppose we'll find this out if we see B&N attempting to strong-arm publishers. |
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And B&N already went to war with S&S over their "pay to stock" terms. It lasted almost a year and many authors had their sales depressed because of it. Here's one report on how nasty it got: http://williamkentkrueger.com/blog/?...ce=twitterfeed Last edited by fjtorres; 01-24-2014 at 12:15 PM. |
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Btw, here's further evidence of the increasing divergence:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremygr...ok-publishing/ We are headed for more mergers and acquisitions and divestments as the publishers of old die, grow, or mutate. Quote:
For example, Philip K. Dick never made much money off his stories while alive but Hollywood has made millions upon millions adapting his works long afterwards. Which is why publishers hoard rights and try to avoid reversion like the plague. A story might only sell afew thousand books but if it catches the eye of a Lifetime producer... Another example is VAMPIRE DIARIES. Or for that matter, HARRY POTTER. The books make good money, but the movies...! Right now, as far as the BPHs are concerned, publishing new books is the least profitable of their efforts. The real money is exploiting the copyrights they own. |
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