Register Guidelines E-Books Today's Posts Search

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > General Discussions

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-20-2012, 05:44 AM   #1
darryl
Wizard
darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
darryl's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Karma: 60231510
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7
Scott Turow is at it again

Scott continues the Amazon as Anti-Christ campaign by the Publishers Guild, oops, I mean the Authors Guild. Please Scott, concentrate on your Art. I have enjoyed those of your books which I have read.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/13/scot...zon/singleton/
darryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 06:14 AM   #2
caleb72
Indie Advocate
caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
caleb72's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,863
Karma: 18794463
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Device: Kindle
Who is the interviewer - Scott Turow in a dress? Talk about a bunch of Dorothy Dixers.
caleb72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 03-20-2012, 06:48 AM   #3
darryl
Wizard
darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
darryl's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Karma: 60231510
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by caleb72 View Post
Who is the interviewer - Scott Turow in a dress? Talk about a bunch of Dorothy Dixers.
They should both be in Parliament!
darryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 08:11 AM   #4
Phogg
PHD in Horribleness
Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Phogg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Phogg's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,320
Karma: 23599604
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L
Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by darryl View Post
They should both be in Parliament!
Its been done.

Phogg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 09:08 AM   #5
Barcey
Wizard
Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Barcey's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,531
Karma: 8059866
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3
Wow, that piece is just dripping in journalist integrity. So impartial, just the facts. I almost fell off my chair from the hard hitting questions.

Barcey is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 03-20-2012, 09:09 AM   #6
abookreader
Wizard
abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.abookreader ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
abookreader's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,516
Karma: 2567610
Join Date: Oct 2009
Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD
Quote:
The nook is widely regarded as the better e-reader device, but if you’ve accumulated a library of Kindle titles, you can’t take them with you if you decide to switch. [Technically, you can, but most users would find this quite challenging.]
Easy solution if authors and publishers are really worried about that. Quit insisting books be sold with DRM.

Quote:
I don’t like losing sales, but the real problem is at the margins. Midlist authors have been struggling to survive for decades now. If you start eating into the publishers’ returns, then at the bottom of the food chain, those books are just not going to get published. We have seen that happen.
Because as we all know.... if Hatchette, Random House, Penguin etc etc etc decline to publish your book, there is no other solution for a midlist or small sales author. They just will not be published. Ever. It is Big 6 or nothing!!!!! (end of sarcasm).

walks away humming to herself (It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.......)
abookreader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 11:09 AM   #7
Penforhire
Wizard
Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Penforhire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,230
Karma: 7145404
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Southern California
Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+
You'd think he was slapped hard enough last time he opened his blog-mouth on this! He does a lot of song and dance expanding his essential complaint -- "...there’s a lot of fear for what the world with Amazon in charge is going to look like."

How is he possibly representing a group of authors? Amazon gets them paid more, not less.
Penforhire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 11:13 AM   #8
howyoudoin
how YOU doin?
howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
howyoudoin's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,100
Karma: 7371047
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: India
Device: Kindle Keyboard, iPad Pro 10.5”, Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Libra 2
Am I the only one who thinks that the interviewer was a whole lot more obnoxious than Turrow here? She made it seem like less of an interview and more of an attempt to piggyback on Turrow's name to make her own points.
howyoudoin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 11:57 AM   #9
RainingLemur
Spork Connoisseur
RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RainingLemur ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
RainingLemur's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,355
Karma: 16780603
Join Date: Mar 2011
Device: Nook Color
Quote:
Originally Posted by howyoudoin View Post
Am I the only one who thinks that the interviewer was a whole lot more obnoxious than Turrow here?
You're not alone.
RainingLemur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 12:24 PM   #10
curtw
Outside of a dog
curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.curtw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
curtw's Avatar
 
Posts: 871
Karma: 4457646
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Device: Kindle Voyage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barcey View Post
Wow, that piece is just dripping in journalist integrity. So impartial, just the facts. I almost fell off my chair from the hard hitting questions.

OK, I'll agree that it wasn't exactly hard-hitting, but what do you see in the article that isn't factually correct?
curtw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 12:26 PM   #11
howyoudoin
how YOU doin?
howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.howyoudoin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
howyoudoin's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,100
Karma: 7371047
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: India
Device: Kindle Keyboard, iPad Pro 10.5”, Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Libra 2
Rebuttal didn't take a long time coming..

http://kevinomclaughlin.com/2012/03/...+McLaughlin%29
howyoudoin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 12:38 PM   #12
fjtorres
Grand Sorcerer
fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fjtorres ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by howyoudoin View Post
Rebuttal didn't take a long time coming..

http://kevinomclaughlin.com/2012/03/...+McLaughlin%29
The rebuttal is interesting but hardly news around here.
The truly fascinating stuff is in the comments. Nice discussion of how the traditional advance+royalty system *really* works and screws midlist writers.
fjtorres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 12:43 PM   #13
mr ploppy
Feral Underclass
mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mr ploppy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
mr ploppy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,622
Karma: 26821535
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Yorkshire, tha noz
Device: 2nd hand paperback
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penforhire View Post

How is he possibly representing a group of authors? Amazon gets them paid more, not less.
As well as millions of "amateur" writers who probably would never be read if it was left up to the publishing corporations. But they're not proper authors, so they're not allowed to join the Authors Guild.

I read somewhere that Turow was also partly responsible for the 17% royalty on ebooks writers get from the corporations. Says a lot about whose interests he's really looking after.

Mind you, I never heard of him before he started on his war against Amazon, so it's a pretty good publicity stunt.
mr ploppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #14
anamardoll
Chasing Butterflies
anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.anamardoll ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
anamardoll's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,132
Karma: 5074169
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: American Southwest
Device: Uses batteries.
The problem with people like this guy is that they make even reasonable points sound ridiculous.

Take the "Amazon hurts authors" thing, for instance. On the face of it, this is ridiculous: Amazon provides a self-publishing platform to authors who might never be published, and provides it to them free of charge and at higher royalty rates than the traditional publishers provide. That's not hurting authors, that's helping them!

And yet... Amazon isn't the indie author's best friend and close lover. The royalty rates are very frustrating to me: I would prefer to price under 2.99 but that's the 70% sweet spot. And if Google sells my book for less than that (and apparently they can), Amazon can slash my price to match and cut my royalty rate by half.

And I don't even get 70%, because Amazon takes "delivery charges" off the top that effectively penalize me for including images in my book since the charge is based on book size. And supposedly this charge will only go up with their new format, as it's apparently a bigger file size.

I can't participate in the lending library unless I promise Amazon total exclusivity of my title. And if Amazon's exclusivity manages to do the real work of putting B&N out of competition, I have zero doubt that Amazon will bring the royalty rates down with even more blatant chipping away. Why wouldn't they? It's a business, after all.

Amazon doesn't "hurt" authors and it sounds ludicrous to me for someone to say so. But the "help" they provide is carefully calculated to help Amazon first and authors as a byproduct. It's a symbiotic relationship, but one in which one party is dominant and another party is individually expendable. And authors should be forewarned and given the tools necessary to make smart decisions.
anamardoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #15
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 79,179
Karma: 144286760
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
Quote:
Originally Posted by abookreader View Post
Easy solution if authors and publishers are really worried about that. Quit insisting books be sold with DRM.
Besides stopping the DRM, sell them ONLY in ePub so no matter what reader you have, the eBooks will work.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Konrath and friends take on Turow fjtorres News 107 03-19-2012 01:25 PM
Sir Walter Scott GeoffC News 15 12-08-2009 10:11 AM
Hello from Scott farscott Introduce Yourself 3 12-20-2006 03:07 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:55 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.