New Kindle Format 8 (HTML5)

umue · 10-21-2011, 12:46 PM

Hello,

Amazon will change the Format of the Kindle books to "Format 8".
" Kindle Fire is the first Kindle device to support KF8 - in the coming months we will roll out KF8 to our latest generation Kindle e-ink devices as well as our free Kindle reading apps." This Original Statement from Amazon.com don´t answer the question: Is there any Update for the last Kindle DX.

Has anybody here Informations about it?

jswinden · 10-21-2011, 12:47 PM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...vglnk-c1533-20

Looks very interesting, but it is more for special formatting purposes than for use with the typical non-fiction book.

The article states that KindleGen 2 and Kindle Previewer 2 will soon be available.

susan_cassidy · 10-21-2011, 12:49 PM

There is another, longer thread about this under "News": https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154189

jswinden · 10-21-2011, 03:06 PM

Some of us rarely, if ever, read the News forum. Too bad the other thread has turned into a slug fest rather than a constructive discussion of the new format.

I guess that is why I rarely read anything in that forum. Nevertheless I guess perhaps the mods could lock this thread and/or redirect it.

DiapDealer · 10-21-2011, 03:30 PM

I'm looking forward to drop-caps, embedded fonts and true CSS support. Let's face it... Amazon was never going to pay Adobe to license their Adept DRM, so true epub support was always a pipe-dream in my opinion. There may have been some added benefit for personal documents by supporting drm-free epubs, but otherwise, epub support just didn't really make much business sense (regardless of how much I and others would have welcomed it).

So it seems Amazon decided to completely leapfrog the current ePub specs and go directly to something that delivers what ePub3 has been promising. The difference being that Amazon devices will be delivering that type of content (ePub3-like) as early as this spring. That may actually put pressure on the IDPF to completely finalize the ePub 3 specs, because I'm guessing that the other eReader manufacturers are going to be scrambling to have ePub3 compliant devices/apps hitting the market around the same time that Amazon's K8 format hits select devices. Everyone benefits in my eyes. Except those that are obsessed with visions of "one format to rule them all."

JSWolf · 10-21-2011, 03:36 PM

This is a duplicate thread. Nothing to see here. Please move along to https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154189

DiapDealer · 10-21-2011, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

This is a duplicate thread. Nothing to see here. Please move along to https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154189

Actually, I see this thread as a place for Kindle users to discuss the new format. I see the other thread as a battleground to be avoided for a while yet.

abookreader · 10-21-2011, 03:58 PM

I agree with DiapDealer, perhaps since this is the Kindle forum we can just skip over all the global evils of Amazon and they should use ePub fighting and instead discuss how this will play out on our Kindle Devices.

I'm still holding a Kindle 2 US but I really don't see my primarily plain text books being effected one way or another. My sons in college however might benefit from the textbook angle as formatting solutions for the educational market are really needed.

jswinden · 10-21-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Actually, I see this thread as a place for Kindle users to discuss the new format. I see the other thread as a battleground to be avoided for a while yet.

I agree!

Blossom · 10-21-2011, 04:59 PM

Does these means small caps will finally be supported?

JSWolf · 10-21-2011, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

Does these means small caps will finally be supported?

Not unless there is a font for it. Simulated small caps look just that, simulated. But when you have a proper small cap font, it does look good.

DiapDealer · 10-21-2011, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

Does these means small caps will finally be supported?

You may need to embed a font that actually has the small-cap variant, but from the list of supported tags and CSS attributes:

Quote:

font - Sets all font properties
font-family - Allows for a prioritized list of font family names and/or generic family names to be specified for the selected element
font-size - Specifies the size of the font
font-style - Allows font style (italic or oblique) to be selected within a font-family
font-variant - Selects a normal, or small-caps face from a font family
font-weight - Specifies the weight or boldness of the font

JeremyR · 10-21-2011, 05:44 PM

I suspect this will mostly be used for the Fire, for books with embedded video and what not, so the actual impact on e-ink kindles will be negligible.

RainingLemur · 10-21-2011, 05:48 PM

I look forward to better CSS support.

Zeebra · 10-21-2011, 06:44 PM

Is this new format rolling out to all eInk Kindles as well or just the Fire? I assume it's backwards compatible with the current Kindle format? (is that a stupid question? I don't know much about formats)

10-21-2011, 12:46 PM	#1
umue Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Kindle 2+3	New Kindle Format 8 (HTML5) Hello, Amazon will change the Format of the Kindle books to "Format 8". " Kindle Fire is the first Kindle device to support KF8 - in the coming months we will roll out KF8 to our latest generation Kindle e-ink devices as well as our free Kindle reading apps." This Original Statement from Amazon.com don´t answer the question: Is there any Update for the last Kindle DX. Has anybody here Informations about it?

10-21-2011, 12:47 PM	#2
jswinden Nameless Being	http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...vglnk-c1533-20 Looks very interesting, but it is more for special formatting purposes than for use with the typical non-fiction book. The article states that KindleGen 2 and Kindle Previewer 2 will soon be available. Last edited by jswinden; 10-21-2011 at 12:49 PM.

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10-21-2011, 12:49 PM	#3
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	There is another, longer thread about this under "News": https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154189

10-21-2011, 03:06 PM	#4
jswinden Nameless Being	Some of us rarely, if ever, read the News forum. Too bad the other thread has turned into a slug fest rather than a constructive discussion of the new format. I guess that is why I rarely read anything in that forum. Nevertheless I guess perhaps the mods could lock this thread and/or redirect it.

10-21-2011, 03:30 PM	#5
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,356 Karma: 203720150 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	I'm looking forward to drop-caps, embedded fonts and true CSS support. Let's face it... Amazon was never going to pay Adobe to license their Adept DRM, so true epub support was always a pipe-dream in my opinion. There may have been some added benefit for personal documents by supporting drm-free epubs, but otherwise, epub support just didn't really make much business sense (regardless of how much I and others would have welcomed it). So it seems Amazon decided to completely leapfrog the current ePub specs and go directly to something that delivers what ePub3 has been promising. The difference being that Amazon devices will be delivering that type of content (ePub3-like) as early as this spring. That may actually put pressure on the IDPF to completely finalize the ePub 3 specs, because I'm guessing that the other eReader manufacturers are going to be scrambling to have ePub3 compliant devices/apps hitting the market around the same time that Amazon's K8 format hits select devices. Everyone benefits in my eyes. Except those that are obsessed with visions of "one format to rule them all."

10-21-2011, 03:36 PM	#6
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,103 Karma: 144284184 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	This is a duplicate thread. Nothing to see here. Please move along to https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154189

10-21-2011, 03:58 PM	#8
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	I agree with DiapDealer, perhaps since this is the Kindle forum we can just skip over all the global evils of Amazon and they should use ePub fighting and instead discuss how this will play out on our Kindle Devices. I'm still holding a Kindle 2 US but I really don't see my primarily plain text books being effected one way or another. My sons in college however might benefit from the textbook angle as formatting solutions for the educational market are really needed.

10-21-2011, 04:59 PM	#10
Blossom Treasure Seeker Posts: 18,708 Karma: 26026435 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: Kobo HD Glo, Kindles, Kindle Fires, Andriod Devices	Does these means small caps will finally be supported?

10-21-2011, 05:44 PM	#13
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	I suspect this will mostly be used for the Fire, for books with embedded video and what not, so the actual impact on e-ink kindles will be negligible.

10-21-2011, 05:48 PM	#14
RainingLemur Spork Connoisseur Posts: 2,355 Karma: 16780603 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: Nook Color	I look forward to better CSS support.

10-21-2011, 06:44 PM	#15
Zeebra Evangelist Posts: 463 Karma: 956567 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Device: Kindle Oasis 3	Is this new format rolling out to all eInk Kindles as well or just the Fire? I assume it's backwards compatible with the current Kindle format? (is that a stupid question? I don't know much about formats)

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