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Non tech Community firmware threat opened for ALL discussions about possible community firmware not being technical (for technical issues use: http://www.entourageedge.com/forums/...swers? etc etc please)

NiaTrue, Sheri,

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion on custom/community firmware.
As in any discussion there is not only one Truth, many nuances exist and w'll never agree completely.

But we can still work together to make our goals come true!

In one of your posts you say:
"One example? I know an posters with connections you don't have. One example? I know an attorney who does this kind of work (sometimes pro bono), an Ivy League-educated intellectual property guy who is also a web- savvy geek. He eats this stuff up, but I'd never refer an obnoxious poster to him."

Maybe, if you don't consider me an obnoxious poster, I may ask you to think about asking this attorney to try to be a mediator in the community's quest for getting the needed source code and maybe to get everybody on speaking terms again.

yours sincerely,

Jos.

I do not think an attorney will mediate and not pro-bono. As I said this is the Entourage own making by not respecting the other people work. if you are using GPL open source software and not a closed system like Iphone than you must release the source for the community to profit back, if you fail to do this than you are making profits on somebody else hard work. Android is a collective work and is such a good framework because is open source and not a closed system, and if you take from community you have to give back, if you do not agree with this, please do not use open source software android. And users should be ashamed of using open source system that does not have full source code release! it is the same like being part to a crime, downloading illegal movie on the internet.

In Thread "Gaining Root Access" post number 10 Gunner said the following:

Originally Posted by Gunnerp245

As others have mentioned, this is by far the most professional/cordial forum I have had the pleasure to use in many a year.

There maybe disagreements and misunderstandings, but everyone is mature in their postings.



Gunner...

My how times have changed in less than 4 months !

Very unfortunate........

Very unfortunate, but progress is not the result of consensual agreement. it comes out of long fights.

All,

I'm going to pop in again and reiterate that we believe we have released all the source code you are asking for. Please let us know specifically what you think you are lacking and we will look into it. Right now, engineering is thinking that this question has come up because the developer making the demand does not actually own an enTourage eDGe and is compiling the code for the wrong processor. It should be compiled for an ARM.

DP

DontPanic: Jcase will explain you that/why the code released is incomplete and will not compile.

Originally Posted by Snepscheut

Maybe, if you don't consider me an obnoxious poster, I may ask you to think about asking this attorney to try to be a mediator in the community's quest for getting the needed source code and maybe to get everybody on speaking terms again. yours sincerely, Jos.

Jos., dank u. Je bent een echte gentleman (I’m only just learning Dutch, so I apologize if the grammar is off). My colleague doesn’t do mediation, at least not on forums anyway. He might be interested in the intellectual property issues (this is often done pro bono), but do you really think that’s necessary?

I might be a Pollyanna (I realize she is abhorred by the Dutch), but they’ve released the code! And although two posters are saying it isn’t complete, enTourage is checking to be sure. Why not wait for their response? Dontpanic says they’ll have one within 24 hours. It could be an oversight, or (*gasp*) jcase could be wrong. If neither of those is the case, there’s a lot that can be done, but you realize even successful intellectual property cases for something as seemingly simple as the GPL could take a year or more to resolve. Such a long fight would be no small price to pay for the folks who wrote the source code, and if it were me, I’d wait forever. BUT, if you want the code to create apps, do you really want to wait a year for it—by which time a victory would be irrelevant?

jcase is definitely not wrong. I think a lot of progress was made due to him and finally, finally Entourage is playing ball. They will realize soon that respecting the GPL licence is in their advantage not disadvantage. Android community is a large one and if they will welcome Edge that means free publicity, more free marketing, more interest and quicker updates or custom firmware development. I hope this is understood both by Entourage and some too provincial users. Also better security of your date and quick patching of the kernel.

Originally Posted by MichaelV

jcase is definitely not wrong. I think a lot of progress was made due to him and finally, finally Entourage is playing ball. They will realize soon that respecting the GPL licence is in their advantage not disadvantage. Android community is a large one and if they will welcome Edge that means free publicity, more free marketing, more interest and quicker updates or custom firmware development. I hope this is understood both by Entourage and some too provincial users. Also better security of your date and quick patching of the kernel.

Absolutely. I mean, Engadget has been completely hostile to the Edge since it came out, and then when they saw how easy it was to root, they finally put up a positive article about it. I still consider Engadget to be a bunch of d-bags, but it helps to have the support of the d-bags sometimes too, especially since they comprise at least 44% of humanity.

Engadget picked due to Jcase follow up on Edge. Can thank him for this.

NiaTrue,

Your ignorance of the facts shows again. They didn't release the full code, and have admitted to it. It was an honset oversight, but many things are still missing. They still say the kernel is complete, but it still doesn't compile here or at Robot's end. Only recently have legal cases came to completion over the GPL, its very rare a company has to be taken that far. Generally public shame works much better, and the fact that a product violating the GPL is illegal to sell in the US and the EU. Then their is the whole thing with retailers as well, moment they sell a product in violation, they are liable as well. Same with schools, if a school distributes a product violates the GPL, once again they are just as liable.

Chubulor,

Engadget in the past has flat out stolen my work, my images, my videos without even a credit or word to me. You were right on calling them d"irt" bags, but they did right this time. They certainly did a correct spin, and people will likely pickup more interest in the eDGe now. Thats good for enTourage's pockets, and for the users knowing that a product will likely get greater support.

MichaelV,

Yes thats the video Sean made for me, and taken from my article which is listed as the source.

Justin

The only problem I have with the video is that you can't see what he's typing. It's a good demonstration of how easy the root is, but not a good instruction manual. I posted a link (as "Tulpa") to your recipe in the comments of the Engadget post.

Originally Posted by jcase

Generally public shame works much better, and the fact that a product violating the GPL is illegal to sell in the US and the EU. Then their is the whole thing with retailers as well, moment they sell a product in violation, they are liable as well. Same with schools, if a school distributes a product violates the GPL, once again they are just as liable.

Is this seriously true? Retailers who sell products whose manufacturers have violated a copyright license without the retailer's knowledge are liable? That seems a little hard to believe.

Originally Posted by Chubulor

The only problem I have with the video is that you can't see what he's typing. It's a good demonstration of how easy the root is, but not a good instruction manual. I posted a link (as "Tulpa") to your recipe in the comments of the Engadget post.



Is this seriously true? Retailers who sell products whose manufacturers have violated a copyright license without the retailer's knowledge are liable? That seems a little hard to believe.

Most certainly, they are distributing binaries covered by the GPL which source is not available for. One tactic to force compliance is to go after retailers, when a retailer can't legally sell a product, they won't order more.

Originally Posted by Chubulor

The only problem I have with the video is that you can't see what he's typing. It's a good demonstration of how easy the root is, but not a good instruction manual. I posted a link (as "Tulpa") to your recipe in the comments of the Engadget post.



Is this seriously true? Retailers who sell products whose manufacturers have violated a copyright license without the retailer's knowledge are liable? That seems a little hard to believe.

http://java.dzone.com/dose/dzone-daily-dose-85
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08..._westinghouse/