Classic Will they stop support of the Classic?

jhempel24 · 02-01-2011, 06:48 AM

This is in no way a huge concern, but with the un-equivocal success of the Nook Color, do you think that the eReader with eInk will start to be phased out?

I for one hope not!

But with the 3G being discontinued, and all the talk of tablets, iPood or otherwise, it is starting to seem that eInk is very slowly becoming obsolete.

What do you think?

RAH · 02-01-2011, 07:52 AM

No, I do not think that e-ink is becoming obsolete. I think there are enough people (like myself) who use the 2 technologies for different purposes, and enough people who would rather read with an e-ink display to keep it going. For another thing - the Kindle is still e-ink, so that might help. Also, when color e-ink becomes available that will give it more life (assuming it looks as good as the B&W).

pdurrant · 02-01-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jhempel24

But with the 3G being discontinued, and all the talk of tablets, iPood or otherwise, it is starting to seem that eInk is very slowly becoming obsolete.

What do you think?

I'd be very surprised to see any current reader or tablet being supported with new firmware updates even just three years from now. Current eInk screens will certainly be obsolete in three years time too.

Of course, current ereaders should still be very useful in three years time. But new ereaders will be far better and cheaper then than current models are now.

RAH · 02-01-2011, 08:10 AM

I agree with you, pdurrant. It seems like 2 different issues - will e-ink devices continue to be made and improved, or will the LCD color screens take over? Of course, there may be (probably will be) better technologies coming along, so it is hard to say. I do think they will continue to improve e-ink devices for the foreseeable future, as you say.

pdurrant · 02-01-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RAH

[snip] will e-ink devices continue to be made and improved, or will the LCD color screens take over?

I certainly expect that displays that work by reflected light will continue to be produced and improved. Whether E-Ink itself turns out to have a long term future is another matter.

Currently, E-Ink displays are, I think, the best available display for eReaders. I'm hopeful that something better will be along this year.

jhempel24 · 02-01-2011, 08:29 AM

I'm hoping that Color eInk will come out, and do well....I just can't handle LCD screens for a long period of time.

It's just a shame that you can already kind of see and end to the current generation when it's just starting to become main-stream.

I would love to read Comics on Color eInk, it would give it that old Comic Strip look, which will be awesome.

pl001 · 02-01-2011, 09:16 AM

If they don't bring back "go to last read page" or some other easy way to go back and forth from references I just may ditch the thing.

It's very irritating not to have that function anymore.

Other than that, I don't really see much need for further updates unless they can improve battery life.

jhempel24 · 02-01-2011, 09:19 AM

I thought it did that when you selected "reading now" or opened a book you already have opened and read. I've never had a problem with that.

I don't go back and forth from references though, I only read fiction on mine.

I don't think there needs to be updates on it, it just seems to me that the focus is going more towards color lcd, which to me, I hate....but alot of people do love it.

pdurrant · 02-01-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pl001

Other than that, I don't really see much need for further updates unless they can improve battery life.

The main need for updates will be to support future versions of the ePub standard.

pl001 · 02-01-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jhempel24

I thought it did that when you selected "reading now" or opened a book you already have opened and read. I've never had a problem with that.

I don't go back and forth from references though, I only read fiction on mine.

I don't think there needs to be updates on it, it just seems to me that the focus is going more towards color lcd, which to me, I hate....but alot of people do love it.

Sorry, I meant references within what I'm reading. Like if you are looking a at a map or diagram from the front of the book. You have to remember your page number or bookmark it to get back to it. Wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't have the feature in 1.4

pl001 · 02-01-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

The main need for updates will be to support future versions of the ePub standard.

True, I didn't consider that.

ProfCrash · 02-01-2011, 10:10 AM

Amazon stopped updating the K1 pretty much right after the K2 was released. I think the K2 has gotten one update since the K3 was released. There was rumor of a DXG update recently but I never got it, admitidly I didn't go looking for it but one would think that updates would be sent to everyone.

I think that BN will support the Nook Classic in it's current form until there is a Nook Classic 2. I would be surprised in the NC1 is supported after the NC2 is released.

kikar · 02-01-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Amazon stopped updating the K1 pretty much right after the K2 was released. I think the K2 has gotten one update since the K3 was released. There was rumor of a DXG update recently but I never got it, admitidly I didn't go looking for it but one would think that updates would be sent to everyone.

I think that BN will support the Nook Classic in it's current form until there is a Nook Classic 2. I would be surprised in the NC1 is supported after the NC2 is released.

I dont see them upgrading the N1 with the same feature set that may come out on the N2 because that may disrupt sales of the N2 but I do hope they continue to tweak the firmware.
I just got my Nook classic last week and I am very impressed with the nook running 1.5. And with the ability to side load my epubs bought from other stores, it is becoming my default reader.

ProfCrash · 02-01-2011, 10:54 AM

I hoped for the same thing with the K1 and Amazon did not touch the K1 firmware after the K2 was out. The one change that they made was to add synching across devices.

If I have read other peoples posts correctly, part of that is because of the differences in memory and capacity between the different itterations. The K3 has a great deal more capacity then the K2 because it has more memory and room on the device to be able to do more.

So the K1 could not handle collections because its infrastructure was not built to handle the requirements for collections. The PDF capabilities on the K3 are too much for the K2 to handle. Rumor has it that the new PDF capabilities are too much for the DXG to handle. I have a tough time believing that since the DX and DXG can hold the same number of books as the K3 but more then the K2 which tells me that the DX line has a larger memory but that is another story.

My point, I would not expect too much from the NC1 from here on out.

jhempel24 · 02-01-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pl001

Sorry, I meant references within what I'm reading. Like if you are looking a at a map or diagram from the front of the book. You have to remember your page number or bookmark it to get back to it. Wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't have the feature in 1.4

Oh okay. Yeah I can see where that would be handy.

02-01-2011, 06:48 AM	#1
jhempel24 Wizard Posts: 2,157 Karma: 7068605 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite, B&N Nook Colro	Will they stop support of the Classic? This is in no way a huge concern, but with the un-equivocal success of the Nook Color, do you think that the eReader with eInk will start to be phased out? I for one hope not! But with the 3G being discontinued, and all the talk of tablets, iPood or otherwise, it is starting to seem that eInk is very slowly becoming obsolete. What do you think?

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02-01-2011, 07:52 AM	#2
RAH Guru Posts: 615 Karma: 575652 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hampton, NH Device: Kobo Aura H20; Kobo ClaraBW	No, I do not think that e-ink is becoming obsolete. I think there are enough people (like myself) who use the 2 technologies for different purposes, and enough people who would rather read with an e-ink display to keep it going. For another thing - the Kindle is still e-ink, so that might help. Also, when color e-ink becomes available that will give it more life (assuming it looks as good as the B&W).

02-01-2011, 08:10 AM	#4
RAH Guru Posts: 615 Karma: 575652 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hampton, NH Device: Kobo Aura H20; Kobo ClaraBW	I agree with you, pdurrant. It seems like 2 different issues - will e-ink devices continue to be made and improved, or will the LCD color screens take over? Of course, there may be (probably will be) better technologies coming along, so it is hard to say. I do think they will continue to improve e-ink devices for the foreseeable future, as you say.

02-01-2011, 08:29 AM	#6
jhempel24 Wizard Posts: 2,157 Karma: 7068605 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite, B&N Nook Colro	I'm hoping that Color eInk will come out, and do well....I just can't handle LCD screens for a long period of time. It's just a shame that you can already kind of see and end to the current generation when it's just starting to become main-stream. I would love to read Comics on Color eInk, it would give it that old Comic Strip look, which will be awesome.

02-01-2011, 09:16 AM	#7
pl001 Evangelist Posts: 459 Karma: 4818038 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Nook, Nook Color, EVO3D, Surface RT, Galaxy S5, Surface 3	If they don't bring back "go to last read page" or some other easy way to go back and forth from references I just may ditch the thing. It's very irritating not to have that function anymore. Other than that, I don't really see much need for further updates unless they can improve battery life.

02-01-2011, 09:19 AM	#8
jhempel24 Wizard Posts: 2,157 Karma: 7068605 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite, B&N Nook Colro	I thought it did that when you selected "reading now" or opened a book you already have opened and read. I've never had a problem with that. I don't go back and forth from references though, I only read fiction on mine. I don't think there needs to be updates on it, it just seems to me that the focus is going more towards color lcd, which to me, I hate....but alot of people do love it.

02-01-2011, 10:10 AM	#12
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Amazon stopped updating the K1 pretty much right after the K2 was released. I think the K2 has gotten one update since the K3 was released. There was rumor of a DXG update recently but I never got it, admitidly I didn't go looking for it but one would think that updates would be sent to everyone. I think that BN will support the Nook Classic in it's current form until there is a Nook Classic 2. I would be surprised in the NC1 is supported after the NC2 is released.

02-01-2011, 10:54 AM	#14
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I hoped for the same thing with the K1 and Amazon did not touch the K1 firmware after the K2 was out. The one change that they made was to add synching across devices. If I have read other peoples posts correctly, part of that is because of the differences in memory and capacity between the different itterations. The K3 has a great deal more capacity then the K2 because it has more memory and room on the device to be able to do more. So the K1 could not handle collections because its infrastructure was not built to handle the requirements for collections. The PDF capabilities on the K3 are too much for the K2 to handle. Rumor has it that the new PDF capabilities are too much for the DXG to handle. I have a tough time believing that since the DX and DXG can hold the same number of books as the K3 but more then the K2 which tells me that the DX line has a larger memory but that is another story. My point, I would not expect too much from the NC1 from here on out.

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