Trying to learn as I go

[s1mp13m4n]

Hello everyone. I have some questions about ereaders in general and it is not aimed at a cwertain model. I own a Kindle 3 and I feel that it is the right device for me and my use. I feel that I am rather new to all of this and I have a question that I do not seem to understand. Some people like the "instant" page turning of an LCD screen, while others knock it because they feel it causes eye strain. Then there is e-ink which some love because of its lack of eye strain, yet can be disliked because of a slow page turn or its refresh flash. What is the deal or complaint with the "slow" page turn of the e-ink screen? Lets say it takes .5-1 total second for this to happen....I see this as no big deal because it takes longer than that to turn a page and get youe eyes refocused on the first word when reading a printed book. I am not trying to complain or cause any issues, I just do not understand the "issue" or complaints about a slow e0ink screen. I can wait 1 second for a new page of text to appear. Thanks for the help in understanding this.

[Kitabi]

Originally Posted by s1mp13m4n

Hello everyone. I have some questions about ereaders in general and it is not aimed at a cwertain model. I own a Kindle 3 and I feel that it is the right device for me and my use. I feel that I am rather new to all of this and I have a question that I do not seem to understand. Some people like the "instant" page turning of an LCD screen, while others knock it because they feel it causes eye strain. Then there is e-ink which some love because of its lack of eye strain, yet can be disliked because of a slow page turn or its refresh flash. What is the deal or complaint with the "slow" page turn of the e-ink screen? Lets say it takes .5-1 total second for this to happen....I see this as no big deal because it takes longer than that to turn a page and get youe eyes refocused on the first word when reading a printed book. I am not trying to complain or cause any issues, I just do not understand the "issue" or complaints about a slow e0ink screen. I can wait 1 second for a new page of text to appear. Thanks for the help in understanding this.

That impression is outdated. Turning the page on the newer generation e-ink devices is no slower than turning the page with a real book.

[natasha_fawn]

Originally Posted by s1mp13m4n

Hello everyone. I have some questions about ereaders in general and it is not aimed at a cwertain model. I own a Kindle 3 and I feel that it is the right device for me and my use. I feel that I am rather new to all of this and I have a question that I do not seem to understand. Some people like the "instant" page turning of an LCD screen, while others knock it because they feel it causes eye strain. Then there is e-ink which some love because of its lack of eye strain, yet can be disliked because of a slow page turn or its refresh flash. What is the deal or complaint with the "slow" page turn of the e-ink screen? Lets say it takes .5-1 total second for this to happen....I see this as no big deal because it takes longer than that to turn a page and get youe eyes refocused on the first word when reading a printed book. I am not trying to complain or cause any issues, I just do not understand the "issue" or complaints about a slow e0ink screen. I can wait 1 second for a new page of text to appear. Thanks for the help in understanding this.

The way I read a paper book, I am flipping the page at the same time I am finishing it, so there's not anywhere near a full second before I'm at the top of the next page (and even then sometimes I'd get a paper cut whipping the page over, hah). It would really throw me out of the story if I had to stop and wait. I discovered when using my boyfriend's nook that I could adapt by pressing the button 3-4 lines before the end of the page, and it would turn just as I was ready. The only problem with that was that sometimes I would press it just a little too soon, and then I'd have to decide if I wanted to just read on or flip back with the attendant wait.

Now that I have my Sony, with its near instantaneous page turns, I prefer not having to swipe so much before I'm actually ready (though I'm still doing it a few words in advance).

[Maggie Leung]

I used a Kindle 2 for 15 months and had no complaints about page-turn time or the black flash.

I didn't care for e-ink's contrast, need for an external light and poor images. I prefer nonfiction, and I want to see all the maps, graphics and other images that come with any books. I also read a lot of news and want to see those images, and to navigate quickly with touch screen.

I wanted a multi-use device because I'm away from home for long stretches. With a tablet, I have books, music, photos, e-mail and Internet in a convenient package. With an iPad and iPhone combo, I no longer take a netbook, e-ink device or camera with me.

I figure devices are just tools; use whichever ones you need. We all have different needs and preferences. The best thing about the marketplace is choice.

I still buy paper books, too. I just leave 'em at home.

[s1mp13m4n]

So in a nutshell the page turn issue is really a non=issue anymore then. OK thanks for the help. You can not learn without asking questions sometimes.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by s1mp13m4n

So in a nutshell the page turn issue is really a non=issue anymore then. OK thanks for the help. You can not learn without asking questions sometimes.

There probably still are some people who complain about such, but if you don't have a problem with it, it was never an issue for you, lol.

It's the same with LCD: Some people have physical limitations and prefer e-ink. For those of us who read fine on LCD, it's not an issue.

[John F]

Originally Posted by natasha_fawn

... I discovered when using my boyfriend's nook that I could adapt by pressing the button 3-4 lines before the end of the page, and it would turn just as I was ready. The only problem with that was that sometimes I would press it just a little too soon, and then I'd have to decide if I wanted to just read on or flip back with the attendant wait.

Now that I have my Sony, with its near instantaneous page turns, I prefer not having to swipe so much before I'm actually ready (though I'm still doing it a few words in advance).

This sums up my feelings about slow page turns. I look forward to the day when EInk has no perceptible delay.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by s1mp13m4n

I can wait 1 second for a new page of text to appear.

Well, the speed becomes a problem if you want to quickly skim over a book, searching for some passage, illustration, chapter... And others dislike the "flash" that e-ink does to avoid ghosting.

[maianhvk]

oh yes, I too find my kindle turning page a little too slow, and not even slow at an exactly speed: sometimes it seems to turn page faster, sometimes I have to wait a little.

they should figure someting out to speed up e-ink devices, but at the moment that's not really a big problem to me. 'it's slow because it cannot work faster. so what?' and that's it. I accept the fact that it turns page slow

[Anthem]

Once things get to a certain point, it becomes a question of perception.

My preferred display size for a notebook computer is and has been 13.3 inches for years! But I know people who would just die with a screen that size.

I find it interesting that there is even a "debate" over the fatigue caused in an LCD vs e-Ink vs Paper caged smack-down event. The human eye works a specific way and certain factors affect the eye differently no matter who you think you are (some people think their eyes came from outer-space and are not limited by the things that limit us mere mortals).

Also, I can see my floaters better in my bright computer screen and any screen that generates light which is tons of super happy fun!

[Anne Bradshaw]

I can't see a link for new threads. I'm sure this will be a "Duh!" thing when someone tells me how to do this

[mr ploppy]

Page change times vary from device to device. My last device took about a second to change, you had to press the button as you started reading the last line.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by Anthem

Once things get to a certain point, it becomes a question of perception.

My preferred display size for a notebook computer is and has been 13.3 inches for years! But I know people who would just die with a screen that size.

I find it interesting that there is even a "debate" over the fatigue caused in an LCD vs e-Ink vs Paper caged smack-down event. The human eye works a specific way and certain factors affect the eye differently no matter who you think you are (some people think their eyes came from outer-space and are not limited by the things that limit us mere mortals).

Also, I can see my floaters better in my bright computer screen and any screen that generates light which is tons of super happy fun!

Maybe a doctor could help with your eye problems. One might be able to help with that passive-aggressive thing, too.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

There probably still are some people who complain about such, but if you don't have a problem with it, it was never an issue for you, lol.

It's the same with LCD: Some people have physical limitations and prefer e-ink. For those of us who read fine on LCD, it's not an issue.

Maggie, I do not think that the preference of e-ink has something to do with physical limtitations. TFTscreens are build up constantly, faster than the human eye can discern, nonetheless it causes eyestrain.

I will give you an example of what I mean. I work as a salesperson. When working in a big department store I am more tired at the end of the day than when working in a small shop even if there is more customer traffic sometimes as in the big store. First I thought thats nonsense, but then I realized it is due to the constant noise in the big department store. All the voices, the music, the soft buzzing of escalators, mobiles ringing... you get the picture. And this is what everyother salesperson I asked said too.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Maggie, I do not think that the preference of e-ink has something to do with physical limtitations. TFTscreens are build up constantly, faster than the human eye can discern, nonetheless it causes eyestrain.

I will give you an example of what I mean. I work as a salesperson. When working in a big department store I am more tired at the end of the day than when working in a small shop even if there is more customer traffic sometimes as in the big store. First I thought thats nonsense, but then I realized it is due to the constant noise in the big department store. All the voices, the music, the soft buzzing of escalators, mobiles ringing... you get the picture. And this is what everyother salesperson I asked said too.

I take others at their word about their eyesight, because I can't see through their eyes. (Also because I'm not an eye professional and am not qualified to diagnose anything, lol.)

There's been limited research into eyestrain and LCDs (and none that I know of with eyestrain and tablets), so I don't assume. I have read about eye professionals with good credentials debating a link between eyestrain and tablets. No "facts" have been established.

Meanwhile, I judge by my own experience after seven months of reading for hours daily on iPad, following about 20 years of editing on computers. No eyestrain.

It comes down to each reader figuring out what works best for the individual. I don't claim to know other people's eyesight. If others say they need e-ink because they have eye problems, that's a physical limitation.