|  12-02-2010, 03:42 PM | #1 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,364 Karma: 3724797 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Device: KPW, KF, KF HD, iPod Touch | 
				
				Smashwords Moves to Agency Model
			 
			
			I saw this on Telereads and couldn't believe it: http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/sm...odel/#comments Here is the straight scoop from Smashwords website: Quote: 
 Smashwords blog link: http://blog.smashwords.com/2010/11/s...ublishers.html Gaw! This is sickening!   | |
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|  12-02-2010, 03:50 PM | #2 | 
| Trying for calm & polite            Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura | 
			
			I'm actually fine with people who self-publish through Smashwords being able to set a price and know that it will be the same everywhere. To my mind, it is very different than the big agency houses doing that kind of thing. I'm betting that authors will pay attention to what kind of pricing works for them and adjust as necessary. It just feels different to me...and not at all like some big media company is holding us hostage.
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|  12-02-2010, 03:51 PM | #3 | 
| Addict            Posts: 216 Karma: 4320 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Idaho, USA Device: Kobo Touch, Aluratek Libre Pro | 
			
			I have never bought from smashwords, (because I haven't bought any books yet) but always considered them a good source. Now (should the need arise) I have no reason to buy from them over anyone else.    | 
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|  12-02-2010, 04:28 PM | #4 | 
| Kindlephilia            Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count | 
			
			More price fixing, fewer books for me to buy.
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|  12-02-2010, 04:41 PM | #5 | 
| Groupie            Posts: 188 Karma: 2088290 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Device: Kindle Paperwhite | 
			
			You are so right. Price competition favours efficiency and large well funded retailers through the history of commerce have rarely proven to be the winners on that score. Price competition favours an even playing field and keeps the big well-funded retailers from becoming bloated monsters who control the market and screw the consumer. Small independent retailers, many of whom have been clients of mine in other market sectors, are able to set up with lower cost bases and can often compete on price, while offering a wider range of support services and other factors important to customers. No, price competition is not the sole tool of retailing but it is a core and essential tool. Taking it away has been shown throughout modern commercial history to be damaging to the consumer and in the best interests of the biggest monopolies. Consumers base their purchasing decisions on a combination of price, service, follow up service and many other factors according to the industry. The fact that price is included in this mixture encourages all players in the market to stay competitive and efficient. It keeps the market open to new entries and to new and innovative ideas. Price fixing is no good for anyone except the sellers. Price fixing in the French book market keeps prices sky high. Price fixing kept air travel restricted to the well off until competition was freed up. Price fixing is never ever good for consumers. | 
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|  12-02-2010, 05:00 PM | #6 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD | 
			
			I'd appreciate it if somebody could tell me why this would be a thing for authors to cheer over? I've always been under the impression that Authors were ecstatic when they'd wake up one morning and find out that Amazon had discounted their book. | 
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|  12-02-2010, 05:11 PM | #7 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,806 Karma: 13399999 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kobo Glo HD, Kobo Clara HD, Kindle 4 | 
			
			I bought over 100 ebooks at the Fictionwise CyberMonday sale (60% off!) that I never would have bought at all if they had been sold with Agency Model pricing.  I'd guess the two companies that got most of my money were eReads and Random House.  Guess how many non-free Agency Model pricing books I've bought in the last 3 months?  It's been less than a dozen, and they were either discounted or purchased at Sony where I still have credit from the 40% off gift cards from last spring.  I have a Nook, and I generally don't buy Agency ebooks from B&N because the publisher prices the ebook 11% higher than the mass market paperback, which B&N discounts.
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|  12-02-2010, 05:31 PM | #8 | 
| Feral Underclass            Posts: 3,622 Karma: 26821535 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire, tha noz Device: 2nd hand paperback | 
			
			If they discount it too much your commission goes down from 70% to 30%.
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|  12-02-2010, 05:40 PM | #9 | |
| Enquiring Mind            Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi) | Quote: 
 If you select 35% royalties, you undertake not to sell the book anywhere else at a lower price. If Amazon decides to discount your book, you still get 35% of the list price. If you select 70% royalties, you undertake not to sell the book anywhere else at a lower price, and that the ebook is priced at least 20% lower than any print edition you sell anywhere. If Amazon decides to discount your book, however, you get 70% of the discounted price, not the list price. Most commonly, Amazon discounts these Kindle books to match a lower price found elsewhere. This has resulted in some authors losing royalties because of aggressive discounting by other online retail stores (such as B&N) which the author had no control over, and Amazon discounting to match. Some authors have ended up setting a list price for B&N, Kobo, etc, several dollars higher than the Kindle list price, simply to try and avoid this happening. Of course, there are many authors who see having their book discounted as a good thing, since it might encourage some to buy their book who might not have considered it otherwise. Others, though, feel they should be able to have more control over what their book is sold for, and simply see it as an unwarranted loss of royalties when their book is discounted. - Donna | |
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|  12-02-2010, 06:28 PM | #10 | 
| Curmudgeon            Posts: 3,085 Karma: 722357 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: PRS-505 | 
			
			So the cabal rakes in another one. Publishers win, purchasers lose. I'm gonna miss Smashwords. | 
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|  12-02-2010, 06:46 PM | #11 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW | |
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|  12-02-2010, 06:53 PM | #12 | 
| Karma Kameleon            Posts: 2,976 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn | 
			
			Oh the horrors, authors being in control of the pricing of their books. Lee | 
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|  12-02-2010, 07:02 PM | #13 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,870 Karma: 27376 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Device: PRS-505 | 
			
			Yeah, this doesn't bother me so much. It's the author setting their price, They can still give out coupon codes for use on Smashwords, and I get a book DRM free in the format of my choice.  So you guys are going to stop supporting independent authors with DRM free books because the pricing scheme vaguely sounds like the big publishers, even though the books are still usually extremely cheap? Especially since the most discount you would see on these books elsewhere was maybe at the most 25% off? Sounds silly to me. I dont usually get frustrated with the crowd here, but come on people, pick your battles. | 
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|  12-02-2010, 07:24 PM | #14 | |
| Guru            Posts: 815 Karma: 23183490 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: MD Device: Kindle, iPad | Quote: 
 I don't see this as being like the Agency Model at all. Smashwords is a distributor, not a publisher. And Smashwords is definitely not part of a cabal. Also, reading what the founder of Smashwords said, there was a lot less drama: "I'm also pleased to report that unlike the tactics used by the Agency 5, we did not put a gun to the head of our retailers. No shots fired, no threats made. In the end, I think each retail partner decided on their own that what is best for Smashwords authors and publishers is also what's best for them and their customers in the long term." | |
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|  12-02-2010, 07:33 PM | #15 | |
| I'm Super Kindle-icious            Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis | Quote: 
  Since agency pricing went into effect, I have stuck to my person "no ebooks over $9.99" pledge. I haven't purchased the latest Stephen King because it's too high. I've skipped a few other series books for the same reason. | |
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