The next kindle....

monkeyluis · 11-04-2010, 01:10 PM

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-20021486-82.html

I thought this was a great article with some great points. I think amazon is inthe business of selling books & not so much hardware. They want their apps on every device they can get it on & then for you to purchase books. We'll see what the future holds. Enjoy.

Penforhire · 11-04-2010, 01:35 PM

Thanks for the link. It mentions touchscreen but dismisses it. As a touchscreen user (Sony Daily Edition) they shouldn't. If they can come up with a clearer touchscreen display I'd jump on it even at a premium. Once I used it I don't want to go back.

Double-tap a word to instantly bring up the dictionary entry for it? Then one-touch return-to-book? Drag finger to turn page? Yes to all, please!

ProfCrash · 11-04-2010, 02:33 PM

I like how he thinks. Why produce a tablet when everyone else is doing that? I asked that very question when B&N announced the Nook Color. If the predictions of the release of more tablets at lower prices are correct, then B&N choose to enter an even more competitive market then the e-reader market. Amazon is likely to skip that because they have the software needed to sell their books.

I have no problem with Amazon introducing a touch screen version of the Kindle, I just hope that they keep the non-touchscreen option as well.

If Amazon really wants to dominate the market they really need to add EPUb. I don't think that is going to happen but it would silence the largest complaint about the Kindle and could do wonders for Kindle sales. I would guess that most of the folks who love EPub would end up buying a decent number of books from Amazon because it is easy. Maybe not all of their books but enough that it would make sense to add the format.

asjogren · 11-04-2010, 02:57 PM

I think that the soft spot with Kindle is Public Library books, not ePub specifically. I don't a huge difference between MobiPocket and ePub. It is the DRM, not the format that is the biggest issue.

If Amazon found a way to partner with Overdrive to deliver directly to the Kindle ....

ProfCrash · 11-04-2010, 03:14 PM

Since Overdrive has gone with EPub, Amazon adding EPub support would be nice.

tubemonkey · 11-04-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I like how he thinks. Why produce a tablet when everyone else is doing that? I asked that very question when B&N announced the Nook Color.

Because there weren't any high end tablets reasonably priced; especially for the coming holiday season.

tubemonkey · 11-04-2010, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Since Overdrive has gone with EPub, Amazon adding EPub support would be nice.

It'll be nice when ereaders have the ability to read all formats; like a normal computer does.

oggelbe2007 · 11-04-2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

It'll be nice when ereaders have the ability to read all formats; like a normal computer does.

...but that would mean NO closed formats to lock in customers and people would put ANYTHING they wanted on ereaders. It would be total chaos...like an open barnyard on slaughtering day!

JSWolf · 11-04-2010, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penforhire

Thanks for the link. It mentions touchscreen but dismisses it. As a touchscreen user (Sony Daily Edition) they shouldn't. If they can come up with a clearer touchscreen display I'd jump on it even at a premium. Once I used it I don't want to go back.

Double-tap a word to instantly bring up the dictionary entry for it? Then one-touch return-to-book? Drag finger to turn page? Yes to all, please!

Sony has come up with a clearer touch screen. They use the new Pearl screen and no more touch layer on top. Sony now uses IR under the screen instead. Much better and nothing gets in the way of the screen. They now look better then the 505.

SensualPoet · 11-04-2010, 08:08 PM

David Carnoy is consistent ... consistently odd.

His article begins with the claim: "I don't think we'll see a color e-reader from Amazon this year". Well, duhhh, David - Jeff Bezos has repeatedly stated exactly that since June. Instead, the Kindle 3 is b&w e-ink -- that's where this ereader train stops for 2010.

Then he goes off on a tangent comparing B&N's Nook Color to the iPad, pretending the former is a tablet ... which it isn't ... can you install Android apps? like the Kobo or Kindle for Android? errmmm, nope. (He actually opens the article quoting himself from mid-August and his firm belief Amazon will release a 6 or 7 inch Android tablet based upon absolutely no more facts than the transmissions received through his tin hat.)

Then he launches into the wonders of touch screen and tries to get rid of Amazon's dreaded keyboard. He never acknowledges what the keyboard is used for, nor how it is less intrusive than an onscreen keyboard, nor that touch screen is mainly useful for pointing at the word you want to look up in a dictionary, assuming you can easily highlight the right one (vs scrolling around with a joystick). The Kindle 2 and Kindle 3 keyboard is not perfect and surely something can be learned from smartphone keypads ... but the advantage of touch is not a no brainer as he implies.

There is the final paragraph where he mentions Mirasol colour display. Jeff Bezos has said a colour Kindle is not in the works in 2010 because the technology is not ready. That sounds an entirely credible reason for Amazon to wait, not merely that these technologies are "exotic". Also not mentioned by the author is the much more relevant fact: there is very little colour content for ebooks that is relevent in a 6"ish form factor. Colour is important when you hit full page (and double page) magazine size displays and nothing from Kindle (or Apple for that matter) is in the cards in 2011 or 2012. And in fact ... is there a need at all?

kevinp · 11-05-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Sony has come up with a clearer touch screen. They use the new Pearl screen and no more touch layer on top. Sony now uses IR under the screen instead. Much better and nothing gets in the way of the screen. They now look better then the 505.

I bought the Kindle because of the WhisperSync function so I can read on my Android phone the same book I'm reading on my Kindle. Sonys don't do this...yet.

11-04-2010, 01:10 PM	#1
monkeyluis Banned Posts: 725 Karma: 656644 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Central Florida Device: iPad "3", Kindle Touch, Kindle Fire, iPhone 4S	The next kindle.... http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-20021486-82.html I thought this was a great article with some great points. I think amazon is inthe business of selling books & not so much hardware. They want their apps on every device they can get it on & then for you to purchase books. We'll see what the future holds. Enjoy.

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11-04-2010, 01:35 PM	#2
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	Thanks for the link. It mentions touchscreen but dismisses it. As a touchscreen user (Sony Daily Edition) they shouldn't. If they can come up with a clearer touchscreen display I'd jump on it even at a premium. Once I used it I don't want to go back. Double-tap a word to instantly bring up the dictionary entry for it? Then one-touch return-to-book? Drag finger to turn page? Yes to all, please!

11-04-2010, 02:33 PM	#3
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I like how he thinks. Why produce a tablet when everyone else is doing that? I asked that very question when B&N announced the Nook Color. If the predictions of the release of more tablets at lower prices are correct, then B&N choose to enter an even more competitive market then the e-reader market. Amazon is likely to skip that because they have the software needed to sell their books. I have no problem with Amazon introducing a touch screen version of the Kindle, I just hope that they keep the non-touchscreen option as well. If Amazon really wants to dominate the market they really need to add EPUb. I don't think that is going to happen but it would silence the largest complaint about the Kindle and could do wonders for Kindle sales. I would guess that most of the folks who love EPub would end up buying a decent number of books from Amazon because it is easy. Maybe not all of their books but enough that it would make sense to add the format.

11-04-2010, 02:57 PM	#4
asjogren Addict Posts: 266 Karma: 1378 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Seattle / San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico Device: Kindle & WiFi Nook & PocketBook IQ	I think that the soft spot with Kindle is Public Library books, not ePub specifically. I don't a huge difference between MobiPocket and ePub. It is the DRM, not the format that is the biggest issue. If Amazon found a way to partner with Overdrive to deliver directly to the Kindle ....

11-04-2010, 03:14 PM	#5
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Since Overdrive has gone with EPub, Amazon adding EPub support would be nice.

11-04-2010, 08:08 PM	#10
SensualPoet Wizard Posts: 2,302 Karma: 2607151 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Paperwhite, Asus ZenPad 3, Kobo Glo	David Carnoy is consistent ... consistently odd. His article begins with the claim: "I don't think we'll see a color e-reader from Amazon this year". Well, duhhh, David - Jeff Bezos has repeatedly stated exactly that since June. Instead, the Kindle 3 is b&w e-ink -- that's where this ereader train stops for 2010. Then he goes off on a tangent comparing B&N's Nook Color to the iPad, pretending the former is a tablet ... which it isn't ... can you install Android apps? like the Kobo or Kindle for Android? errmmm, nope. (He actually opens the article quoting himself from mid-August and his firm belief Amazon will release a 6 or 7 inch Android tablet based upon absolutely no more facts than the transmissions received through his tin hat.) Then he launches into the wonders of touch screen and tries to get rid of Amazon's dreaded keyboard. He never acknowledges what the keyboard is used for, nor how it is less intrusive than an onscreen keyboard, nor that touch screen is mainly useful for pointing at the word you want to look up in a dictionary, assuming you can easily highlight the right one (vs scrolling around with a joystick). The Kindle 2 and Kindle 3 keyboard is not perfect and surely something can be learned from smartphone keypads ... but the advantage of touch is not a no brainer as he implies. There is the final paragraph where he mentions Mirasol colour display. Jeff Bezos has said a colour Kindle is not in the works in 2010 because the technology is not ready. That sounds an entirely credible reason for Amazon to wait, not merely that these technologies are "exotic". Also not mentioned by the author is the much more relevant fact: there is very little colour content for ebooks that is relevent in a 6"ish form factor. Colour is important when you hit full page (and double page) magazine size displays and nothing from Kindle (or Apple for that matter) is in the cards in 2011 or 2012. And in fact ... is there a need at all?

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