Networked Kindles - An Emergency Internet?

vugtitan · 09-20-2010, 06:26 PM

Just had a great idea.

Since the Kindle uses 3G is it possible for one kindle to talk to a friends kindle?

Or must it communicate with Amazon through whisper net only?

In any case since kindles use wi-fi why can't one kindle talk to another kindle and thus create a new kindle network which forms a second internet for emergency use such as after world war 3 or a terrorist attack or a power outage?

Kindle to kindle wi-fi could also allow you to share your bookmarks and notes as well as browse other people files and books,sent sms,email,instant messaging,etc.

You could even have kindle clubs and groups.

How can we get one kindle to talk to or access another kindle through wi-fi?

Andolamin · 09-20-2010, 06:31 PM

You would have to get into the underlying linux operating systems and add a lot of functionality that is not there. Then you'd have to re-write the kindle software to be able to take advantage of it.

dougmwpsu · 09-20-2010, 06:51 PM

I've been reading Vugtitans posts with tickled fascination over the past few weeks since I found this forum. It appears he wants a device that can store an entire library of congress, recharge autonomously from sunlight (or in the case of nuclear winter, ambient neutrino flux), and create a self supporting wireless mesh network for global secure communication. It should otherwise be an immaculately perfect book replacement.

Someday, (if he doesn't cancel his order first) he will receive his kindle and realize that it is a competent ereader. I fear this may be enormously disappointing for him.

mattbiernat · 09-20-2010, 06:53 PM

hehe you mean something like a teamviewer but for kindle. it would be nice if somebody did write an application like that. it would be especially useful for people who want to share their books with other family members. i hope Amazon will soon catch up and allow book sharing to limited number of people for limited number of time. this could be implemented to require direct WiFi to WiFi contact to prevent massive book sharing. something of the kind that Zune has on its devices.
my mother for example buys lots of books but i know that until book sharing is not available she will never buy kindle. this makes sense especially that she likes to share books with her friends after she finishes reading them.

Jacina · 09-21-2010, 02:49 AM

Eh, you can share books with a kindle:

Lets say you have your kindle (A) and the one that wants to share a book (B)

1. You register kindle B to A's account. (This is akin to going to A's home)
2. You pick the books you want from A's account. (Now you're looking through his shelves)
3. You load the books you want on your kindle. (Showing the stack of books you want)

Now there's one step I haven't tried out which would be the final one:

4. Deregister the kindle (Leave the house)

Supposedly the books remain readable, you just won't be able to load them from amazon again...

So the open questions are:
1. What happens if you deregister, according to several posts about stolen kindles et al, a deregistered kindle can still read the books loaded, but can't load more.
2. What happens if you re-register the kindle to your own account, are the books still readable?

ricsmania · 09-21-2010, 07:07 AM

Sure, but after WW3 wouldn't the phone towers be destroyed, disabling 3G?

spacemonkey · 09-21-2010, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacina

Eh, you can share books with a kindle:

Lets say you have your kindle (A) and the one that wants to share a book (B)

1. You register kindle B to A's account. (This is akin to going to A's home)
2. You pick the books you want from A's account. (Now you're looking through his shelves)
3. You load the books you want on your kindle. (Showing the stack of books you want)

Now there's one step I haven't tried out which would be the final one:

4. Deregister the kindle (Leave the house)

Supposedly the books remain readable, you just won't be able to load them from amazon again...

So the open questions are:
1. What happens if you deregister, according to several posts about stolen kindles et al, a deregistered kindle can still read the books loaded, but can't load more.
2. What happens if you re-register the kindle to your own account, are the books still readable?

Surely you mean:
1) Install Kindle for PC on (A)s account
2) Download books
3) Skindle
4) Email book to (B)

Or have I misunderestimated something. I'm of course not suggesting piracy, however, there's no benefit in pretending you are not pirating books just because you've found a convoluted method of doing it.

SpeckledJim · 09-21-2010, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricsmania

Sure, but after WW3 wouldn't the phone towers be destroyed, disabling 3G?

I think it speaks volumes that someone would be concerned about having net access after nuclear war. I like being connected as much as the next guy, but I'm fairly sure I'd have more pressing problems to contend with than not being able to browse slashdot, such as maybe finding drinkable water, and avoiding getting murdered by scavenging survivors who want my last chocolate HobNob.

desertgrandma · 09-21-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vugtitan

Just had a great idea.

Since the Kindle uses 3G is it possible for one kindle to talk to a friends kindle?

Or must it communicate with Amazon through whisper net only?

In any case since kindles use wi-fi why can't one kindle talk to another kindle and thus create a new kindle network which forms a second internet for emergency use such as after world war 3 or a terrorist attack or a power outage?

Kindle to kindle wi-fi could also allow you to share your bookmarks and notes as well as browse other people files and books,sent sms,email,instant messaging,etc.

You could even have kindle clubs and groups.

How can we get one kindle to talk to or access another kindle through wi-fi?

WWIII? Terrorist attack? 'sigh.

NOTHING will work after either, in the surrounding areas.

The cell providers will be so overwhelmed, if they still even exist, nothing will get thru.

In case of WWIII, if you are still alive, you're going to have other things to worry about. This will be the least of your problems.

JSWolf · 09-21-2010, 01:51 PM

What I am waiting for is a hack for the K3 with wifi & 3G to allow the K3 to be used as an internet hotspot.

Tiersten · 09-21-2010, 03:25 PM

The K3 can't directly talk to another Kindle via WiFi because it doesn't support adhoc WiFi networks. If you have a WiFi access point available then they'd be able to communicate via WiFi.

The Amazon Whispernet network have proxy servers which prevent access to anything which isn't web. The web sites available may be limited depending on what region you're in i.e. it might be Wikipedia and Amazon only.

If you suddenly start hammering the 3G connection because you've tethered it to a laptop or desktop then Amazon are most likely going to notice and do something to stop you since you're not meant to do that.

Your ideas have a general theme of paranoia along with destruction of civilisation or the planet. Have you thought of reading more upbeat books on your Kindle?

vugtitan · 09-21-2010, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricsmania

Sure, but after WW3 wouldn't the phone towers be destroyed, disabling 3G?

No phone towers required.

also it does not have to be after ww3 it can be due to power outage or a hack attack on public services launched by cyber attackers from the east

Wi-fi is kindle generated and i checked on wiki which said third world countries rely on mesh and adhoc networks as they don't have electricity or any infrastructure.

So i thought why only third world countries should have this facility.why not us as we invented it all anyway.

Since kindles are all standard identikit wi-fi then the problem of slightly differing wi-fi standards do not arises as has been the problem in far flung places in foreign lands.

By making a kindle talk to another you are essentially having a kind of kindle facebook community who can reach out and more for the intellectual elite and a broadminded vista familiarity folk as opposed to the beer swilling vomit spouters and binge drinkers out on a friday night.

Esquire1 · 09-21-2010, 10:31 PM

You're all being trolled so hard. Good on doug and rics spotting the troll.

flandroid · 09-21-2010, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vugtitan

. . .as opposed to the beer swilling vomit spouters and binge drinkers out on a friday night.

Don't worry, they've got all the guns, and they'll take care of the intellectual elite early on.

mattbiernat · 09-24-2010, 01:02 AM

yet again, it would be nice to have an option to share books with friends directly through kindle via the Wifi.
and i don't care about WW3, WW4, terrorists, etc. those events are highly unlikely.

09-20-2010, 06:26 PM	#1
vugtitan Addict Posts: 299 Karma: 1042776 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: none	Networked Kindles - An Emergency Internet? Just had a great idea. Since the Kindle uses 3G is it possible for one kindle to talk to a friends kindle? Or must it communicate with Amazon through whisper net only? In any case since kindles use wi-fi why can't one kindle talk to another kindle and thus create a new kindle network which forms a second internet for emergency use such as after world war 3 or a terrorist attack or a power outage? Kindle to kindle wi-fi could also allow you to share your bookmarks and notes as well as browse other people files and books,sent sms,email,instant messaging,etc. You could even have kindle clubs and groups. How can we get one kindle to talk to or access another kindle through wi-fi?

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09-20-2010, 06:31 PM	#2
Andolamin Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 2 International	You would have to get into the underlying linux operating systems and add a lot of functionality that is not there. Then you'd have to re-write the kindle software to be able to take advantage of it.

09-20-2010, 06:51 PM	#3
dougmwpsu Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 12 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle	I've been reading Vugtitans posts with tickled fascination over the past few weeks since I found this forum. It appears he wants a device that can store an entire library of congress, recharge autonomously from sunlight (or in the case of nuclear winter, ambient neutrino flux), and create a self supporting wireless mesh network for global secure communication. It should otherwise be an immaculately perfect book replacement. Someday, (if he doesn't cancel his order first) he will receive his kindle and realize that it is a competent ereader. I fear this may be enormously disappointing for him.

09-20-2010, 06:53 PM	#4
mattbiernat Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle 3G	hehe you mean something like a teamviewer but for kindle. it would be nice if somebody did write an application like that. it would be especially useful for people who want to share their books with other family members. i hope Amazon will soon catch up and allow book sharing to limited number of people for limited number of time. this could be implemented to require direct WiFi to WiFi contact to prevent massive book sharing. something of the kind that Zune has on its devices. my mother for example buys lots of books but i know that until book sharing is not available she will never buy kindle. this makes sense especially that she likes to share books with her friends after she finishes reading them.

09-21-2010, 02:49 AM	#5
Jacina Member Posts: 20 Karma: 32 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle	Eh, you can share books with a kindle: Lets say you have your kindle (A) and the one that wants to share a book (B) 1. You register kindle B to A's account. (This is akin to going to A's home) 2. You pick the books you want from A's account. (Now you're looking through his shelves) 3. You load the books you want on your kindle. (Showing the stack of books you want) Now there's one step I haven't tried out which would be the final one: 4. Deregister the kindle (Leave the house) Supposedly the books remain readable, you just won't be able to load them from amazon again... So the open questions are: 1. What happens if you deregister, according to several posts about stolen kindles et al, a deregistered kindle can still read the books loaded, but can't load more. 2. What happens if you re-register the kindle to your own account, are the books still readable?

09-21-2010, 07:07 AM	#6
ricsmania Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 40 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Brazil Device: Kindle 3 3G+Wifi	Sure, but after WW3 wouldn't the phone towers be destroyed, disabling 3G?

09-21-2010, 01:51 PM	#10
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,249 Karma: 145488788 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What I am waiting for is a hack for the K3 with wifi & 3G to allow the K3 to be used as an internet hotspot.

09-21-2010, 03:25 PM	#11
Tiersten Guru Posts: 987 Karma: 8641 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle 3G+WiFi	The K3 can't directly talk to another Kindle via WiFi because it doesn't support adhoc WiFi networks. If you have a WiFi access point available then they'd be able to communicate via WiFi. The Amazon Whispernet network have proxy servers which prevent access to anything which isn't web. The web sites available may be limited depending on what region you're in i.e. it might be Wikipedia and Amazon only. If you suddenly start hammering the 3G connection because you've tethered it to a laptop or desktop then Amazon are most likely going to notice and do something to stop you since you're not meant to do that. Your ideas have a general theme of paranoia along with destruction of civilisation or the planet. Have you thought of reading more upbeat books on your Kindle?

09-21-2010, 10:31 PM	#13
Esquire1 Banned Posts: 34 Karma: 90 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kindle 3 wifi; PRS-500 (gone); iPad NOT for reading e-books ;)	You're all being trolled so hard. Good on doug and rics spotting the troll.

09-24-2010, 01:02 AM	#15
mattbiernat Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle 3G	yet again, it would be nice to have an option to share books with friends directly through kindle via the Wifi. and i don't care about WW3, WW4, terrorists, etc. those events are highly unlikely.

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