Transferring books - I have Oasis, might buy a Kobo

[JWK]

So a simple enough question, I think.

If you buy books from Amazon, can you later somehow get them on to your Kobo, or some other epub device?

Amazon is offering me a free trial period for Kindle Unlimited. My thought was to stock up with as many books as I can during the trial period, then cancel. However, given the issues with my Oasis, I might very well buy a Kobo Sage in the foreseeable future.

My present understanding is that you purchase the books with your computer and Amazon sends them right to your kindle. I I don't have a way of getting them on to my computer. They will all be useless once I get an epub devices since I can't send anything out from a reader.

Do I have this right?

[latepaul]

With Kindle Unlimited you are borrowing the books not purchasing them. So it would be unethical to keep them, regardless of device.

[Sirtel]

It's possible to remove the DRM from Kindle books and convert them to epub. I buy from Amazon all the time and read on my Kobos.

But I doubt folks here are going to offer help with deDRMing Kindle Unlimited books. As the previous poster said, they're loans, not purchases.

[JWK]

Originally Posted by latepaul

With Kindle Unlimited you are borrowing the books not purchasing them. So it would be unethical to keep them, regardless of device.

Actually, I was logging on to "never mind" my post when I realized that Amazon must have some sort of borrowing system. I never dealt with amazon regarding ebooks at all. When I started thinking about, "Hey, how could they do that without getting cleaned out..." oops, really stupid for not thinking that through.

For the record, I'm not interested in stealing borrowed books at all. I haven't bought books in decades. I used to have tons of books back in the day. I lost them all through theft and moving long distances more times than I can count.

Our state libraries have all gone to cloudlibrary, so I think the best thing I can do is to get a Kobo once I read all the books that are still on my kindle. My ex gave me her Oasis and she put a bunch of books from her cloud on there for me (legitimately purchased). Once those are gone, that's it except for gutenberg, so I think a Kobo makes the most sense for me unless I purchase a library card from somewhere that has a fantastic selection of ebooks. I haven't found that yet.

Anyway, that's a lot of words to say, "Sorry, wasn't thinking..."

[cgsmom]

I don’t have Kindle Unlimited anymore because I wasn’t using it enough to be worthwhile. However, I think I read that Amazon removed the “Download and Transfer “ option from Kindle Unlimited books anyway. That’s the only way I know how to liberate Kindle books.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

It's possible to remove the DRM from Kindle books and convert them to epub. I buy from Amazon all the time and read on my Kobos.

But I doubt folks here are going to offer help with deDRMing Kindle Unlimited books. As the previous poster said, they're loans, not purchases.

At the moment something is broken at Amazon UK such that D&T does not work and you cannot get a list of new eBooks on your Kindle to Sync.

Amazon US does not have a problem. So if the OP lives in the UK, there is no getting new eBooks from Amazon ATM.

This is why (IMHO) it should be mandatory to put in where you live so questions that rely on a region can be answered properly.

[Sirtel]

There are other ways besides Download & Transfer.

[issybird]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

This is why (IMHO) it should be mandatory to put in where you live so questions that rely on a region can be answered properly.

Sigh. Sometimes there are places you really, really shouldn’t go.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

At the moment something is broken at Amazon UK such that D&T does not work and you cannot get a list of new eBooks on your Kindle to Sync.

Amazon US does not have a problem. So if the OP lives in the UK, there is no getting new eBooks from Amazon ATM.

The USA was working for me for already bought ebooks, but when I bought a ebook, it broke and the prior ebooks now don't download.

Amazon has refunded.

[John F]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

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But I doubt folks here are going to offer help with deDRMing Kindle Unlimited books. As the previous poster said, they're loans, not purchases.

I was of the impression that some people had concerns about authors not getting paid when stripping DRM from KU ebooks and sideloading.

And some people have problems with stripping DRM from library books, while others feel that it isn't a problem if you follow the spirit of the library loan.

PMMV

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by John F

I was of the impression that some people had concerns about authors not getting paid when stripping DRM from KU ebooks and sideloading.

And some people have problems with stripping DRM from library books, while others feel that it isn't a problem if you follow the spirit of the library loan.

PMMV

DRM removal on KU DOES cheat the author because of Amazon's crazy system. But morally I'd only do it on bought books, not loans, even though it would not affect author payments on Irish & UK libraries. I use an app for the Irish library.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

There are other ways besides Download & Transfer.

No there isn't when you cannot see newly purchased eBooks. I tried to download an eBook I bought (free) the other day from Amazon UK that my Kindle has never seen. So I don't see how to download eBooks form Amazon when something is broken.

I just tried Amazon US and it's broken the same as Amazon UK. So as of now, there's no way to get new Kindle eBooks from the US or UK.

So if you get a KU deal, you won't be able to take advantage of it until Amazon fixes what is broken.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by John F

I was of the impression that some people had concerns about authors not getting paid when stripping DRM from KU ebooks and sideloading.

Why, yes we do. After all, since the KU payment depends on tracking the reading progress, anything that prevents that prevents the author from being paid.

Originally Posted by John F

And some people have problems with stripping DRM from library books, while others feel that it isn't a problem if you follow the spirit of the library loan.

PMMV

For me, removing DRM from books I don't own is not a good idea. I do know a few local Kindle owners who routinely remove DRM from library loans since outside of the USA, you can't get library loans in a Kindle format, so they routinely remove DRM and convert to transfer to their Kindles. One of them does remove the books after they are read while the others just keep the copy in their calibre library.

As Apprentice Alf said on his blog:

I can’t get the tools to work on my rented or library ebooks.
Support for removing DRM from rented or library ebooks is not provided.

[GeniusJ]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon US does not have a problem. So if the OP lives in the UK, there is no getting new eBooks from Amazon ATM.

It's broken for me here in the US as well.

[Quoth]

Seems fixed today.