Download Limits

Richwood · 04-13-2020, 01:13 PM

I just ran into a simultaneous downloads limit on a dictionary bought for my Kindles. Per Amazon download limits are set by publishers. A Collins English language dictionary. The limit is six readers simultaneously and I have considerably more Kindle readers. I understand that limits can vary from one to six copies or unlimited. Limits not listed in Amazon descriptions that I have found.

How do people feel about simultaneous download limit restrictions for units all registered to the same account? I can see it for a popular novel but it seems too restrictive for a reference book like a dictionary.

Sirtel · 04-13-2020, 04:25 PM

Download limits for your purchased books should not exist. Period. But as long as we have to endure such a ridiculous restriction, removing the DRM is an absolute must (in my not so humble opinion).

pwalker8 · 04-13-2020, 07:22 PM

I don't like download limits. I've run into the problem since I tend to download all my books onto a new reader and frequently forget to remove one of my old kindles from the list, but most books don't seem to have a limit. That's another reason to remove the DRM.

Tarana · 04-13-2020, 07:47 PM

I find the download limits reasonable, but I can see it being a hassle for a reference book.

Ntsimp · 04-13-2020, 08:49 PM

I don't think it's acceptable that the limits are not listed. Terms should be defined in advance of a purchase.

DiapDealer · 04-13-2020, 09:32 PM

There is no "download limit". There's a simultaneous use limit (if the publisher requests it). And the limit is not at all new. In fact it used to be fairly standard on all kindlebook purchases.

mikeayers · 04-13-2020, 09:51 PM

Recently I have emailed personal documents to my Kindle, edited them and emailed them again and I have gotten that same message about a download limit. I don't know why there is a limit on personal documents. If I rename the document I can send it again and everything seems OK. If I remove the document from the Kindle and remove it from the amazon cloud, then it looks like I can email the document again. This does not happen on all my documents and I have not figured out why it happens.

haertig · 04-14-2020, 10:49 AM

It would seem to me that the population most likely to run into download limits is the avid reading population with a lot of different devices (duh!) And that population is the same population that would probably know how to remove DRM. The same population, after feeling taken advantage of, that would probably encourage/help efforts to learn how to remove future DRM schemes. So I'm not entirely sure why a publisher would want to set download limits - perhaps to encourage removal of DRM???

DiapDealer · 04-14-2020, 11:12 AM

Seriously... why do people keep referring to this as a "download limit"? I'm genuinely curious.

jhowell · 04-14-2020, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haertig

It would seem to me that the population most likely to run into download limits is the avid reading population with a lot of different devices (duh!)

It seems to me that only a tiny minority of avid readers even own six reading devices, let alone have six in active use at the same time.

Sirtel · 04-14-2020, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Seriously... why do people keep referring to this as a "download limit"? I'm genuinely curious.

Because it's simpler and shorter than "simultaneous usage"?

DiapDealer · 04-14-2020, 12:52 PM

Got it. Simple, shorter, and completely inaccurate is always better.

Sirtel · 04-14-2020, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Got it. Simple, shorter, and completely inaccurate is always better.

Of course. Like watching or not watching TV.

tomsem · 04-14-2020, 01:52 PM

At the least, Amazon should make it easier to see (in Manage Your Content & Devices) what the limit for a given item is, how many devices it resides on, and a way to remove the item short of de-registering the device. It is possible to see what resides on a given device, but you have to retrieve per-device lists and then compute the totals from those.

shalym · 04-14-2020, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomsem

At the least, Amazon should make it easier to see (in Manage Your Content & Devices) what the limit for a given item is, how many devices it resides on, and a way to remove the item short of de-registering the device. It is possible to see what resides on a given device, but you have to retrieve per-device lists and then compute the totals from those.

Actually, I can easily see which devices a book is on from the manage your content and devices page.

Shari

04-13-2020, 01:13 PM	#1
Richwood Astronomy Nut Posts: 519 Karma: 3700000 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Reno, NV Device: Kindle (All), Kobo (Multiple), Sony (most) and Nook Glowlight Plus	Download Limits I just ran into a simultaneous downloads limit on a dictionary bought for my Kindles. Per Amazon download limits are set by publishers. A Collins English language dictionary. The limit is six readers simultaneously and I have considerably more Kindle readers. I understand that limits can vary from one to six copies or unlimited. Limits not listed in Amazon descriptions that I have found. How do people feel about simultaneous download limit restrictions for units all registered to the same account? I can see it for a popular novel but it seems too restrictive for a reference book like a dictionary. Last edited by Richwood; 04-16-2020 at 11:38 AM. Reason: clarify

04-13-2020, 09:32 PM	#6
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,353 Karma: 203720150 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	There is no "download limit". There's a simultaneous use limit (if the publisher requests it). And the limit is not at all new. In fact it used to be fairly standard on all kindlebook purchases. Last edited by DiapDealer; 04-13-2020 at 09:44 PM.

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04-13-2020, 04:25 PM	#2
Sirtel Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,151 Karma: 237634549 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Estonia Device: Kobo Sage & Libra 2	Download limits for your purchased books should not exist. Period. But as long as we have to endure such a ridiculous restriction, removing the DRM is an absolute must (in my not so humble opinion).

04-13-2020, 07:22 PM	#3
pwalker8 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,196 Karma: 70314280 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2	I don't like download limits. I've run into the problem since I tend to download all my books onto a new reader and frequently forget to remove one of my old kindles from the list, but most books don't seem to have a limit. That's another reason to remove the DRM.

04-13-2020, 07:47 PM	#4
Tarana Wizard Posts: 4,030 Karma: 38840460 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Minneapolis Device: PWSE, Voyage, K3, HDX, KBasic 7 & 8, Nook Glo3, Echos, Nanos	I find the download limits reasonable, but I can see it being a hassle for a reference book.

04-13-2020, 08:49 PM	#5
Ntsimp Groupie Posts: 150 Karma: 1215642 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Utah Device: iriver Story HD, Android	I don't think it's acceptable that the limits are not listed. Terms should be defined in advance of a purchase.

04-13-2020, 09:51 PM	#7
mikeayers Zealot Posts: 136 Karma: 432377 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Device: Kindle PW 10thGen, Kobo Clara HD	Recently I have emailed personal documents to my Kindle, edited them and emailed them again and I have gotten that same message about a download limit. I don't know why there is a limit on personal documents. If I rename the document I can send it again and everything seems OK. If I remove the document from the Kindle and remove it from the amazon cloud, then it looks like I can email the document again. This does not happen on all my documents and I have not figured out why it happens.

04-14-2020, 10:49 AM	#8
haertig Wizard Posts: 1,889 Karma: 31522252 Join Date: Sep 2017 Device: PW3, Fire HD8 Gen7, Moto G7, Sansa Clip v2, Ruizu X26	It would seem to me that the population most likely to run into download limits is the avid reading population with a lot of different devices (duh!) And that population is the same population that would probably know how to remove DRM. The same population, after feeling taken advantage of, that would probably encourage/help efforts to learn how to remove future DRM schemes. So I'm not entirely sure why a publisher would want to set download limits - perhaps to encourage removal of DRM???

04-14-2020, 11:12 AM	#9
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,353 Karma: 203720150 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Seriously... why do people keep referring to this as a "download limit"? I'm genuinely curious.

04-14-2020, 12:52 PM	#12
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,353 Karma: 203720150 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Got it. Simple, shorter, and completely inaccurate is always better.

04-14-2020, 01:52 PM	#14
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,900 Karma: 27013865 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	At the least, Amazon should make it easier to see (in Manage Your Content & Devices) what the limit for a given item is, how many devices it resides on, and a way to remove the item short of de-registering the device. It is possible to see what resides on a given device, but you have to retrieve per-device lists and then compute the totals from those.

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