Fire 4th Generation

KyBunnies · 06-27-2017, 11:35 PM

I have a Kindle Fire 4th Generation. Once a week it resets. I get optimizing system and then everything goes back to normal. I have to reopen the book I was reading but that is it. Is anyone else having this problem or just me? Asking here before contacting Amazon since it is usually a hassle.

jhowell · 06-28-2017, 02:38 AM

There was an update to Fire OS (5.4.0.0) for 4th generation and newer devices released within the past week. Perhaps your device automatically installed it. If not you may want to try it to see if it helps with your problem.

stumped · 06-28-2017, 08:23 AM

which model do you have exactly ( "kindle fire" usually refer to the two devices launched in 2012
after that they begna calling them just " fire" )

the 2012 models cannot / will not uppdate to OS 5.x AFAIK
if you can post the exact model number ? identifier - which may be on the "about" page in settings, that will help

or look here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201263780

nb as per that page there is no such thing as a kindle fire 4th gen ?

tomsem · 06-28-2017, 12:35 PM

Turned on my Fire HD6 for first time in a few weeks and on startup it said 'optimizing system storage and applications', and then immediately downloaded the 5.4.0.0 update. After applying the update, it again 'optimized system..'. I have not been using it enough to know if this 'optimizing system' behavior is normal, but I'm guessing it is.

Note that in addition to System updates, there are more frequent Component updates, but these are more difficult to track as there are no details given or release notes, and maybe not even any notification. I've only discovered them by explicitly going to Check for Updates and applying them (for all I know they were going to apply automatically). Perhaps these trigger 'optimizing system' events as well.

That said, the update has made no appreciable improvements as far as I can tell.

KyBunnies · 06-28-2017, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumped

which model do you have exactly ( "kindle fire" usually refer to the two devices launched in 2012
after that they begna calling them just " fire" )

the 2012 models cannot / will not uppdate to OS 5.x AFAIK
if you can post the exact model number ? identifier - which may be on the "about" page in settings, that will help

or look here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=201263780

nb as per that page there is no such thing as a kindle fire 4th gen ?

Okay I see this when I go to Manage Devices and Content

Type FIRE HD 7

Serial Number 0093 ~Removed by Editor
I see this when I go to settings on my Kindle

Device Model Fire HD 7 (4th Generation)
Serial Number 0093 ~Removed by Editor

KyBunnies · 06-28-2017, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhowell

There was an update to Fire OS (5.4.0.0) for 4th generation and newer devices released within the past week. Perhaps your device automatically installed it. If not you may want to try it to see if it helps with your problem.

I went to updates and according to what I clicked/touched it was up to date. I looked and it has 5.4.0.0

KyBunnies · 06-28-2017, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomsem

Turned on my Fire HD6 for first time in a few weeks and on startup it said 'optimizing system storage and applications', and then immediately downloaded the 5.4.0.0 update. After applying the update, it again 'optimized system..'. I have not been using it enough to know if this 'optimizing system' behavior is normal, but I'm guessing it is.

Note that in addition to System updates, there are more frequent Component updates, but these are more difficult to track as there are no details given or release notes, and maybe not even any notification. I've only discovered them by explicitly going to Check for Updates and applying them (for all I know they were going to apply automatically). Perhaps these trigger 'optimizing system' events as well.

That said, the update has made no appreciable improvements as far as I can tell.

By Component updates do you mean apps? I have very few apps, Calibre Companion, Moon + Pro Reader Color Dictionary, ES File Explorer File Manager. I do not have any games. I do not even use the Kindle for surfing the internet. It is only used for reading.

Barbara1955 · 06-28-2017, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumped

which model do you have exactly ( "kindle fire" usually refer to the two devices launched in 2012
after that they begna calling them just " fire" )

the 2012 models cannot / will not uppdate to OS 5.x AFAIK
if you can post the exact model number ? identifier - which may be on the "about" page in settings, that will help

or look here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=201263780

nb as per that page there is no such thing as a kindle fire 4th gen ?

My 2nd gen Fire OS is 7.5.1... Confusing since you say it Cant got up to 5...

Cinisajoy · 06-28-2017, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbara1955

My 2nd gen Fire OS is 7.5.1... Confusing since you say it Cant got up to 5...

If we are looking in the same place, My 1st Gen fire is 6.3.4.
So now I am confused to since last time I looked 6 and 7 were bigger than 5.

Barbara1955 · 06-28-2017, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

If we are looking in the same place, My 1st Gen fire is 6.3.4.
So now I am confused to since last time I looked 6 and 7 were bigger than 5.

No Kidding!

AnemicOak · 06-28-2017, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

If we are looking in the same place, My 1st Gen fire is 6.3.4.
So now I am confused to since last time I looked 6 and 7 were bigger than 5.

Some of the early Kindle Fire's (1st, 2nd & 2.5th Gen) had larger numbers for their system/OS than later ones. Starting with the 3rd Gen Kindle Fire's (last gen to use Kindle in the name) and going forward to 4th Gen Fire, etc they started calling it "Fire OS" and using the current numbering...

1st Gen = 6.x
2nd Gen = 7.x
2.5th Gen = 8.x
They went up to 10.x, but I don't know for sure what got what as updates...

3rd Gen = 4.x (originally used Fire OS 3)
4th Gen = 5.x
5th Gen = 5.x
6th Gen = 5.x
7th Gen = 5.x

You can find a full list here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_O...re_OS_versions

Barbara1955 · 06-28-2017, 05:25 PM

I don't believe the OS has a thing to do with "optimizing system"... My Fire 10.1 ...5th Gen is Always Optimizing System... No Updates. BUT it Never Lost the E-Book I am reading Nor Place I left off at.

OP I suggest you contact CS at Amazon & Ask to talk to a Tech. Even IF its Not in warranty they Can tell you whats wrong...

tomsem · 06-28-2017, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyBunnies

By Component updates do you mean apps? I have very few apps, Calibre Companion, Moon + Pro Reader Color Dictionary, ES File Explorer File Manager. I do not have any games. I do not even use the Kindle for surfing the internet. It is only used for reading.

'Component' means 'Amazon software which you cannot remove'. Includes services without UI as well as Kindle, Audible, Video apps etc. To see a list go to Settings->Apps & Games->Manage All Applications and swipe over to ALL. This shows both installed apps and the Amazon 'components'. Tap on an item and you can see a version number, how much storage/data/cache it is using, etc.

Sometimes even when FireOS version is the same, component version can be different on different devices (even of same type). For example for some reason the Kindle app was not updating on my Fire and newer features like Page Flip were not there. Eventually it did update, however.

jhowell · 06-29-2017, 08:05 AM

On boot up Android optimizes apps that have been installed or updated since the last reboot so that they will launch quickly. The optimized files are stored in a cache. If you are low on storage on the device some of the optimized files will automatically be deleted to free up space. This will cause optimizing to occur again on the next reboot.

Fire OS calls updates to its pre-installed apps "component updates". This normally occurs automatically, but you can force it using the settings app. There is no user interface telling you what components were updated, but you can see what changed by dumping the system log using adb if you are technically inclined.

06-27-2017, 11:35 PM	#1
KyBunnies Book & Bunny Crazy Posts: 1,291 Karma: 6468095 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: USA Device: K3 (x2), Fire HD 7-inch (x2), Fire HDX 8.9, Acer Android Tablet	Fire 4th Generation I have a Kindle Fire 4th Generation. Once a week it resets. I get optimizing system and then everything goes back to normal. I have to reopen the book I was reading but that is it. Is anyone else having this problem or just me? Asking here before contacting Amazon since it is usually a hassle.

06-28-2017, 02:38 AM	#2
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,038 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	There was an update to Fire OS (5.4.0.0) for 4th generation and newer devices released within the past week. Perhaps your device automatically installed it. If not you may want to try it to see if it helps with your problem. Last edited by jhowell; 06-28-2017 at 07:32 AM.

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stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	which model do you have exactly ( "kindle fire" usually refer to the two devices launched in 2012 after that they begna calling them just " fire" ) the 2012 models cannot / will not uppdate to OS 5.x AFAIK if you can post the exact model number ? identifier - which may be on the "about" page in settings, that will help or look here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201263780 nb as per that page there is no such thing as a kindle fire 4th gen ?

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tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,904 Karma: 27013865 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	Turned on my Fire HD6 for first time in a few weeks and on startup it said 'optimizing system storage and applications', and then immediately downloaded the 5.4.0.0 update. After applying the update, it again 'optimized system..'. I have not been using it enough to know if this 'optimizing system' behavior is normal, but I'm guessing it is. Note that in addition to System updates, there are more frequent Component updates, but these are more difficult to track as there are no details given or release notes, and maybe not even any notification. I've only discovered them by explicitly going to Check for Updates and applying them (for all I know they were going to apply automatically). Perhaps these trigger 'optimizing system' events as well. That said, the update has made no appreciable improvements as far as I can tell.

06-28-2017, 05:25 PM	#12
Barbara1955 Non-Techy Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders	I don't believe the OS has a thing to do with "optimizing system"... My Fire 10.1 ...5th Gen is Always Optimizing System... No Updates. BUT it Never Lost the E-Book I am reading Nor Place I left off at. OP I suggest you contact CS at Amazon & Ask to talk to a Tech. Even IF its Not in warranty they Can tell you whats wrong...

06-29-2017, 08:05 AM	#14
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,038 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	On boot up Android optimizes apps that have been installed or updated since the last reboot so that they will launch quickly. The optimized files are stored in a cache. If you are low on storage on the device some of the optimized files will automatically be deleted to free up space. This will cause optimizing to occur again on the next reboot. Fire OS calls updates to its pre-installed apps "component updates". This normally occurs automatically, but you can force it using the settings app. There is no user interface telling you what components were updated, but you can see what changed by dumping the system log using adb if you are technically inclined.

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