All Hallow's Eve (Charles Williams)

badgoodDeb · 10-31-2015, 10:20 AM

So .... this being All Hallow's Eve, I decided to re-read "All Hallow's Eve" again. This is at least the third time, and with re-reading and more world history and life under my belt, it is beginning to make more sense.

Charles Williams died in 1945. Is this book now public domain??? I have a PRC derived from Gutenberg (I think) from 2008, which is in dreadful shape. It has sentences missing, etc. I looked at Amazon's for-sale book, but a 2013 review said that it is also very flawed, so I didn't buy it. I also have the book I just read, the paperback (DTB) that I bought in 1976 when I was required to read it for a class on the Inklings. For Wheaton College, while on a Wheaton in England (London and Oxford) tour. At age 18, it was eerie, but went *way* over my head!

Anyway ... I'm ready to re-read it immediately, and correct the text file from the DTB in my hands, if anyone else is capable of converting the text file into all the other formats that MR offers ebooks in. Dr Drib, I know you were interested in it in 2008, and were lamenting the poor copy that Gutenberg had.

Is this now permissible? Is anyone willing to do the other half of the work, if I correct the flat text file? Calibre created a flat text file for me, from the PRC that I have.

PS I have 4-5 others of Charles Williams', in DTB format, bought at the same time. In case there is interest in others. Although I read an ebook format (I think) of "Descent Into Hell" a while ago and found it not lacking.

Froide · 10-31-2015, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

So .... this being All Hallow's Eve, I decided to re-read "All Hallow's Eve" again. This is at least the third time, and with re-reading and more world history and life under my belt, it is beginning to make more sense.

Charles Williams died in 1945. Is this book now public domain??? I have a PRC derived from Gutenberg (I think) from 2008, which is in dreadful shape. It has sentences missing, etc. I looked at Amazon's for-sale book, but a 2013 review said that it is also very flawed, so I didn't buy it. I also have the book I just read, the paperback (DTB) that I bought in 1976 when I was required to read it for a class on the Inklings. For Wheaton College, while on a Wheaton in England (London and Oxford) tour. At age 18, it was eerie, but went *way* over my head!

Anyway ... I'm ready to re-read it immediately, and correct the text file from the DTB in my hands, if anyone else is capable of converting the text file into all the other formats that MR offers ebooks in. Dr Drib, I know you were interested in it in 2008, and were lamenting the poor copy that Gutenberg had.

Is this now permissible? Is anyone willing to do the other half of the work, if I correct the flat text file? Calibre created a flat text file for me, from the PRC that I have.

PS I have 4-5 others of Charles Williams', in DTB format, bought at the same time. In case there is interest in others. Although I read an ebook format (I think) of "Descent Into Hell" a while ago and found it not lacking.

The University of Adelaide has done a fantastic job formatting every public domain book I've downloaded from its website; I imagine Charles Williams' books, such as All Hallow's Eve, would be no different.

HarryT · 10-31-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Charles Williams died in 1945. Is this book now public domain???

It's irrelevant when he died when considering the US public domain. All that matters is when the book was published. This book was published in 1945, which means that no, it's not in the US public domain, and it would copyright infringement for you to download it from a site where it was in the public domain, such as PG Australia.

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Anyway ... I'm ready to re-read it immediately, and correct the text file from the DTB in my hands, if anyone else is capable of converting the text file into all the other formats that MR offers ebooks in. Dr Drib, I know you were interested in it in 2008, and were lamenting the poor copy that Gutenberg had.

Is this now permissible? Is anyone willing to do the other half of the work, if I correct the flat text file? Calibre created a flat text file for me, from the PRC that I have.

It can be hosted on MR on 1st Jan 2016, which is when it enters the "life+70" public domain, but to repeat, it is not in the public domain in the US, and you mustn't download it.

badgoodDeb · 10-31-2015, 10:59 AM

Oh. Ok. Actually I was thinking that we'd probably take long enough to wait until 2016, just to be safe. Will it then be legal in the US?

Well, @Froide, no, they didn't do a great job. They used the same source that I had already seen. Same errors. I can do a "read online" (is that permissible?) and search the first chapter for the phrase "unless indeed the City heard" and immediately after, the word "facade" has problems. The DTB prints it with cedillas (?) on the c. You know, little hanging down things. These days we just skip those, but back then, they still considered it a French word, and printed them. The first instance of "facade" in that sentence is rendered "faqades" and the second is "fagade".

That's where I stopped reading the ebook and reverted to my DTB. So I don't know what the rest of the book is like. Previously, there was an actual whole sentence missing. I didn't read hard enough to see if that is still missing in this version.

HarryT · 10-31-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Oh. Ok. Actually I was thinking that we'd probably take long enough to wait until 2016, just to be safe. Will it then be legal in the US?

No, I'm afraid not. It won't enter the US public domain for quite a while. I'm not sure entirely when - I'll let those who are better acquainted with US copyright law than I am to advise on that.

badgoodDeb · 10-31-2015, 11:05 AM

My paperback is printed in Grand Rapids, copyrited 1948, but reprinted 1982. I guess this is a set I bought after college, when I was actually making money!

pdurrant · 10-31-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Charles Williams died in 1945. Is this book now public domain???

All his (non-posthumous) works, including All Hallow's Eve are public domain in Life+50 countries. They will all be public domain in life+70 countries in two months, on 1st January 2016.

But USA copyright is more complex. Cornell University has a good summary.

If there was a US registration in 1945, it would have had to be renewed about 28 years late, around 1973. For renewals of this date, we'll need to check the database kept at Stanford University.

Ah - and there is a record. All Hallow's Eve by Charles Williams, registered 19 Jan 1945, renewed 14 Feb 1972. That means it has a US copyright of 95 years, and will fall into the US public domain on 1st January 2041, in just over 25 years time.

HarryT · 10-31-2015, 11:27 AM

Thanks for that - I knew that this was an area in which you're a lot more knowledgeable than I am!

Catlady · 10-31-2015, 11:27 AM

According to this chart, it looks like it would enter public domain in the U.S. in 2040 (95 years after the publication date), since a search of the copyright renewal database shows that the original copyright was renewed.

ETA: Oops, I see pdurrant beat me to it!

badgoodDeb · 10-31-2015, 11:33 AM

25 years from now? I won't worry about it then. By then, we'll probably have a chip embedded in our brains, and can just upload books directly to the chip if we want to read a book! I want the chip with the extra storage capacity please.

Although it didn't prove especially helpful to Simon Illyan, did it ..... (sorry, switching venues here, but there is another live thread about Lois McMaster Bujold too!)

tubemonkey · 10-31-2015, 11:58 AM

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I want the chip with the extra storage capacity please.)

Always get the one with the bigger gee bees

Dr. Drib · 10-31-2015, 03:20 PM

A lot has happened since 2008.

Anyone who wishes to take one of the books I put together - and assuming a book is not copyrighted - is certainly welcome to improve upon what I attempted to do in those earlier years.

10-31-2015, 10:20 AM	#1
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,549 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	All Hallow's Eve (Charles Williams) So .... this being All Hallow's Eve, I decided to re-read "All Hallow's Eve" again. This is at least the third time, and with re-reading and more world history and life under my belt, it is beginning to make more sense. Charles Williams died in 1945. Is this book now public domain??? I have a PRC derived from Gutenberg (I think) from 2008, which is in dreadful shape. It has sentences missing, etc. I looked at Amazon's for-sale book, but a 2013 review said that it is also very flawed, so I didn't buy it. I also have the book I just read, the paperback (DTB) that I bought in 1976 when I was required to read it for a class on the Inklings. For Wheaton College, while on a Wheaton in England (London and Oxford) tour. At age 18, it was eerie, but went way over my head! Anyway ... I'm ready to re-read it immediately, and correct the text file from the DTB in my hands, if anyone else is capable of converting the text file into all the other formats that MR offers ebooks in. Dr Drib, I know you were interested in it in 2008, and were lamenting the poor copy that Gutenberg had. Is this now permissible? Is anyone willing to do the other half of the work, if I correct the flat text file? Calibre created a flat text file for me, from the PRC that I have. PS I have 4-5 others of Charles Williams', in DTB format, bought at the same time. In case there is interest in others. Although I read an ebook format (I think) of "Descent Into Hell" a while ago and found it not lacking. Last edited by badgoodDeb; 10-31-2015 at 10:22 AM.

10-31-2015, 11:27 AM	#9
Catlady Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,418 Karma: 52613881 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip	According to this chart, it looks like it would enter public domain in the U.S. in 2040 (95 years after the publication date), since a search of the copyright renewal database shows that the original copyright was renewed. ETA: Oops, I see pdurrant beat me to it! Last edited by Catlady; 10-31-2015 at 11:30 AM.

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10-31-2015, 10:59 AM	#4
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,549 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	Oh. Ok. Actually I was thinking that we'd probably take long enough to wait until 2016, just to be safe. Will it then be legal in the US? Well, @Froide, no, they didn't do a great job. They used the same source that I had already seen. Same errors. I can do a "read online" (is that permissible?) and search the first chapter for the phrase "unless indeed the City heard" and immediately after, the word "facade" has problems. The DTB prints it with cedillas (?) on the c. You know, little hanging down things. These days we just skip those, but back then, they still considered it a French word, and printed them. The first instance of "facade" in that sentence is rendered "faqades" and the second is "fagade". That's where I stopped reading the ebook and reverted to my DTB. So I don't know what the rest of the book is like. Previously, there was an actual whole sentence missing. I didn't read hard enough to see if that is still missing in this version.

10-31-2015, 11:05 AM	#6
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,549 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	My paperback is printed in Grand Rapids, copyrited 1948, but reprinted 1982. I guess this is a set I bought after college, when I was actually making money!

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Thanks for that - I knew that this was an area in which you're a lot more knowledgeable than I am!

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