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Old 09-15-2015, 08:46 AM   #1
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Float images & tables?
I'll probably be told off for asking another formatting question here... but here goes anyway.

Is there a way to float a block element in a reflowable book (e.g. a table, or a div containing an image and caption) so that it will be displayed at the top (or bottom) of a page, and so that text will be flowed around it to avoid having a huge blank area on the page before?
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Why ePUB, specifically? I'd be interested in a solution for any reflowable format, actually...
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OK, I've spammed a copy into every other relevant forum under E-book formats.
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OK, I've spammed a copy into every other relevant forum under E-book formats.
Duplicate posts deleted. Do not post the same question in multiple forums.
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Is there a way to float a block element in a reflowable book (e.g. a table, or a div containing an image and caption) so that it will be displayed at the top (or bottom) of a page, and so that text will be flowed around it to avoid having a huge blank area on the page before?
In a reflowable book, there is not pages.
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I'll probably be told off for asking another formatting question here... but here goes anyway.

Is there a way to float a block element in a reflowable book (e.g. a table, or a div containing an image and caption) so that it will be displayed at the top (or bottom) of a page, and so that text will be flowed around it to avoid having a huge blank area on the page before?
I do not know of a way. I don't think any equivalent of the very useful TeX 'put the image near here where it best fits the page layout' command.

But perhaps there's something in ePub3 CSS. Anyone know?
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I believe the solution is called sidebars. See our wiki https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Example_ePub#sidebars

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I believe the solution is called sidebars. See our wiki https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Example_ePub#sidebars

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But that does not solve the problem...

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I do not know of a way. I don't think any equivalent of the very useful TeX 'put the image near here where it best fits the page layout' command.

But perhaps there's something in ePub3 CSS. Anyone know?
I believe you mean this: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-page-floats/

About its implementation status I know nothing, but Prince supports moving floats in the page too.
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But that does not solve the problem...
Yes, sometimes it can help but you are right that it does not always do the job. There is no way to solve the problem in ePub for all cases. There is no float vertical capability as you might do in creating a hard book to delay the image to the next page or place it earlier than you had originally intended. We need a float top or float bottom to do this and you cannot tell the reader to delay the display of an object until the next page. It would be a nice feature but the people designing the standard seem not to be interested in things needed by real books.

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In a reflowable book, there is not pages.
There are pages, certainly; that's what page-break-before and page-break-after are there to control in the CSS. In the absence of these, the page breaks occur in unpredictable places depending on viewer size, font size and so on, which can vary. So don't you think it would be useful to be able to tell the viewer not only where hard page breaks should go but that a block should float to the top of the viewer's display page when it is displayed?
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So why do you moderator types insist on moving a general question to a single forum dealing with one specific format? Thanks a bunch...
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It would be a nice feature but the people designing the standard seem not to be interested in things needed by real books.
Sigh. True enough. I was hoping that someone would have come up with a clever workaround, but... oh well.
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So why do you moderator types insist on moving a general question to a single forum dealing with one specific format? Thanks a bunch...
Please review the forum guidelines.

Calibre Editor/Sigil is NOT a General drop point, either. Those are just Tools that make changes easier.

EPUB is one of the best starting points for most conversions.
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