CC doesn't upload edited book from PC-Calibre

[leftright]

I edited/converted a book in PC-Calibre and embedded the metadata.
Connected CC-Tablet to PC-Calibre wirelessly, It synced and updated metadata.

The edited book wasn't sent/synchronised across, why ?.

I deleted the book in CC-Tablet, resent the book from PC-Calibre.

when opening book from within CC, FBReader showed old book.

I deleted the old book from within FBReader

Resent boook from PC-Calibre and now the new version of the book opens in FBReader.

Is it necessary to go through all those steps to ensure that a book edited with PC-Calibre is correctly synchronised in CC AND FBReader ?.

[chaley]

Originally Posted by leftright

I edited/converted a book in PC-Calibre and embedded the metadata.
Connected CC-Tablet to PC-Calibre wirelessly, It synced and updated metadata.

The edited book wasn't sent/synchronised across, why ?.

Probably because you haven't enabled the "Sync Newer Book Files" option in CC. If that option is not checked, CC only syncs metadata.

I deleted the book in CC-Tablet, resent the book from PC-Calibre.

when opening book from within CC, FBReader showed old book.

I deleted the old book from within FBReader

Resent boook from PC-Calibre and now the new version of the book opens in FBReader.

Is it necessary to go through all those steps to ensure that a book edited with PC-Calibre is correctly synchronised in CC AND FBReader ?.

If you check the option described above, CC will fetch changed books and store them wherever you have indicated in CC's settings.

I installed FBReader to test. The steps I took:

1. Opened a book in FBReader
2. Closed FBReader
3. Changed the book in calibre
4. Connected CC as a wireless device choosing "Sync books". The new file was sent to CC. I verified that the timestamp of the file changed using a file manager.
5. Opened the book in FBReader from CC. The old text was still there.
6. Opened the book in FBReader from a file manager. The old text was still there, demonstrating that it isn't a CC problem.
7. Opened the book in Moon+ from CC. The new text was there.
8. Opened some other book in FBReader then opened the original book. The new text was there.

Conclusion: apparently FBReader keeps a secret copy of the last book being read and does not check the timestamp of the file. There isn't much that CC can do about this.

The workarounds I see:

1. Open a different book in FBReader then reopen the desired book. This process seems to replace the secret copy.
2. Delete the book in FBReader before connecting CC. CC + calibre will resend the book if you have the option set and choose Connect/Sync books. IMO this isn't a good workaround.
3. Use a reader app that doesn't have this problem.

There might be a setting in FBReader that affects this, but if so it isn't obvious.

[Purple Lady]

I've had this same problem with Moon+ pro.

[leftright]

Originally Posted by chaley

Probably because you haven't enabled the "Sync Newer Book Files" option in CC. If that option is not checked, CC only syncs metadata.
If you check the option described above, CC will fetch changed books and store them wherever you have indicated in CC's settings.

Surely that option should be on by default, as one of CC's primary features is to sync books with PC-Calibre.

With that option off there is no flag to advise the user that the book hasn't been synchronised.

[chaley]

Originally Posted by leftright

Surely that option should be on by default, as one of CC's primary features is to sync books with PC-Calibre.

With that option off there is no flag to advise the user that the book hasn't been synchronised.

The primary function of CC is to transfer books and to sync metadata. Syncing books was added only recently. When the feature was added, many people wanted it off because it slows metadata syncing substantially for large libraries. However, since the choice to sync or not sync was subsequently added, perhaps I can make the default 'checked'.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by chaley

The primary function of CC is to transfer books and to sync metadata. Syncing books was added only recently. When the feature was added, many people wanted it off because it slows metadata syncing substantially for large libraries. However, since the choice to sync or not sync was subsequently added, perhaps I can make the default 'checked'.

Disinterested comment

Re-synching a format file is a destructive process, in that the file on the device will be overwritten. So one could lose the on-device annotations one had made to a PDF or the on-device changes one had made via EPUB Tags Editor

I would have thought it prudent to leave the default setting to 'don't synch', and then the onus is on the user to change it and suffer the consequences.

BR

[chaley]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Re-synching a format file is a destructive process, in that the file on the device will be overwritten. So one could lose the on-device annotations one had made to a PDF or the on-device changes one had made via EPUB Tags Editor

Very good point. Thanks for mentioning it.

[leftright]

With the sync book file option disabled by default, how is a user supposed to know that the sync menu implies that only the metadata will be synched and not the edited book?.

[chaley]

Originally Posted by leftright

With the sync book file option disabled by default, how is a user supposed to know that the sync menu implies that only the metadata will be synched and not the edited book?.

Just in case this is an argument to make the option enabled by default, I am not going to do it because of my original qualms and BetterRed's point.

If it is really a question: knowing in advance requires reading through CC's settings, reading CC's description (the third bullet point under the second spoiler), or noticing the FAQ "How can I get books to autosync when Calibre Companion connects?" One can know after a sync by watching the progress dialogs (all say "metadata"), looking at calibre's job log (only mentions sending metadata), seeing that the book did not change (which is how you noticed), or seeing that the book's mod date did not change (in a file manager).

[Demingy]

Originally Posted by leftright

With the sync book file option disabled by default, how is a user supposed to know that the sync menu implies that only the metadata will be synched and not the edited book?.

I always go through the settings of all my apps when I first get them, partially for this reason. I can say that when a user goes through the settings the option is very clear so I don't think it should be an issue for most to enable it if they wish. The points above for not having it enabled by default are understandable, especially since it isn't as likely that a regular user would check the settings and would have a very unpleasant surprise when their file gets changed unexpectedly.

[leftright]

I find the following statement about CC on your, Information, Change Log, and FAQ page misleading.

"a high-performance WiFi-based calibre device emulator".

CC doesn't emulate Calibre's eReader, nor can it edit books. which are two primary functions of Calibre.

[cybmole]

Originally Posted by leftright

I find the following statement about CC on your, Information, Change Log, and FAQ page misleading.

"a high-performance WiFi-based calibre device emulator".

CC doesn't emulate Calibre's eReader, nor can it edit books. which are two primary functions of Calibre.

go meditate on the defference between
calibre device emulator
and
calibre emulator

OK, perhaps it could be a tad clearer, but anyone with an interest in calibre will know that there's no android or ipad version, so expecting CC to somehow miraculously become those things ....

[chaley]

Originally Posted by leftright

I find the following statement about CC on your, Information, Change Log, and FAQ page misleading.

"a high-performance WiFi-based calibre device emulator".

CC doesn't emulate Calibre's eReader, nor can it edit books. which are two primary functions of Calibre.

What cybmole said. From calibre's point of view CC appears as a device, thus "calibre device emulator".

What is your goal here? If you are looking for a reason to receive a refund, you don't need a reason. Simply PM me the email address of the account used to purchase CC, the date of purchase, and if you still have it the transaction ID; and I will do the rest.

[leftright]

Originally Posted by chaley

What is your goal here?

To improve your product.

Especially when it says in the connect menu "Sync Books", but dear sir, it won't if the option is disabled in settings, does that make sense to you?.

How is a user supposed to glean that he/she has to delve into settings to make that menu work ?, also, surely you don't think that everyone RTFM before using a Application ?.

Why not add a Enabled/Disabled flag to "Sync Book", for those who don't read the manual and take things literally?, e.g. "Sync Book (Disabled)"

[eschwartz]

Considering that you are picking nits about the meaning of "device", no not really.

I do not see what the problem is regarding the sync, I would expect the default assumption to be that it only syncs the metadata, which is how it worked for quite some time. (As has already been pointed out to you, CC's description implies that as well.)
By the time someone realizes they can have it sync the edited ebook as well, they will presumably have found the settings menu.

In general, I would expect people who want to really understand how to use something, to read whatever instructions are available or else to go through all the settings (unless there is a particular reason to think you know it already). Multiple reasons have been offered as to why this MUST be the default.

Dear sir, are you trying to cause trouble? What with the abrasive attitude and all.