Dictionaries and identical inflections

Hatgirl · 01-08-2014, 03:51 PM

How does the current range of Kindles display entries that have identical inflections?

So, like, if a dictionary containing the code below was on a Kindle, and I highlighted the word "drunk" in a novel, would only the first definition be displayed

Quote:

"drink - take (a liquid) into the mouth and swallow"

or would it display both?

Quote:

"drink - take (a liquid) into the mouth and swallow"
"drunk - a person who is drunk or who habitually drinks to excess"

Code:

<html>
<body>

<idx:entry>
	<b><idx:orth>drink
	<idx:infl>
		<idx:iform value="drinks"/>
		<idx:iform value="drinking"/>
		<idx:iform value="drank"/>
		<idx:iform value="drunk"/>
	</idx:infl>
	</idx:orth> </b> 
	<i>verb</i> <br/>
	take (a liquid) into the mouth and swallow
</idx:entry>
<br/><br/>

<idx:entry>
	<b><idx:orth>drip
	<idx:infl>
		<idx:iform value="drips"/>
	</idx:infl>
	</idx:orth> </b> 
	<i>noun</i> <br/>
	a small drop of a liquid
</idx:entry>
<br/><br/>
<hr/>

<idx:entry>
	<b><idx:orth>drunk
	<idx:infl>
		<idx:iform value="drunks"/>
	</idx:infl>
	</idx:orth> </b> 
	<i>noun</i> <br/>
	a person who is drunk or who habitually drinks to excess
</idx:entry>
<br/><br/>
<hr/>

</body>
</html>

HarryT · 01-08-2014, 04:15 PM

When a word has multiple definitions, it displays them from the first one, and will show as much as fits in the space available in the pop-up definition window. You can then tap a link to see the full definition, which displays the dictionary as a book, open at that first definition, and you can page backward and forward in it, as any other book.

Hatgirl · 01-08-2014, 04:23 PM

Thanks for the reply, HarryT, but I'm not sure I understand it completely

So, yes the Kindle popup is capable of showing definitions from multiple <idx:entry> elements at the same time? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

susan_cassidy · 01-08-2014, 05:18 PM

How is your definition of drunk in any way a subcategory of "drink"? The only way it would be would be if the word was a past tense or something, which it is not. It is simply a related term. The dictionary does show related terms, but how it is encoded in the dictionary, I don't know. Perhaps you could strip the DRM from one of the default dictionaries, extract the HTML, and look.

Hatgirl · 01-08-2014, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan_cassidy

How is your definition of drunk in any way a subcategory of "drink"? The only way it would be would be if the word was a past tense or something, which it is not. It is simply a related term. The dictionary does show related terms, but how it is encoded in the dictionary, I don't know. Perhaps you could strip the DRM from one of the default dictionaries, extract the HTML, and look.

I know how it is encoded in the dictionary, that's easy, I included sample code in my original post :-) I just don't know how the Kindle displays the encoding.
drunk is the past participle of drink eg. the milk was drunk. For "sing", the past participle is "sung". And so on.

(The reason I posted my question is that I am thinking of creating a dictionary for a language in which identical inflections are more common than in English, but if the Kindle can't display multiple <idx:entry> elements at the same time then there's not much point in putting in the effort of creating the dictionary)

susan_cassidy · 01-08-2014, 06:00 PM

You're right, I forgot about the past participle, I was thinking of plain old past tense.

Is the encoding the same way they display additional words, or just an addition word for the same index? There is a separate type of display on the Kindle for related words, as opposed to different definitions of the same word.

Lady Stardust · 01-09-2014, 09:45 AM

PW2013 displays for drunk
-past participle of drink
- adj. affected by alcohol etc etc including the meaning of drunk with
-noun a person who is drunk etc etc
And then some phrases
In the pop up window all the above is displayed, including phrase drunk and disorderly. If you open dictionary by clicking more you get one more phrase and then drunkard as noun

susan_cassidy · 01-09-2014, 11:24 AM

That's fine, but that's not what I see for related words in an entry. It actually says Related Words, then lists possible related words, with links to them.

Little.Egret · 01-09-2014, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan_cassidy

That's fine, but that's not what I see for related words in an entry. It actually says Related Words, then lists possible related words, with links to them.

Neither your profile nor your post says which Kindle you are using (Lady Stardust PW (Paper White) 2013 )

I think they all differ slightly.

susan_cassidy · 01-09-2014, 03:06 PM

Kindle Keyboard, currently.

Hatgirl · 01-12-2014, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Stardust

PW2013 displays for drunk
-past participle of drink
- adj. affected by alcohol etc etc including the meaning of drunk with
-noun a person who is drunk etc etc
And then some phrases
In the pop up window all the above is displayed, including phrase drunk and disorderly. If you open dictionary by clicking more you get one more phrase and then drunkard as noun

Huh, that sounds like what I was hoping for

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01-08-2014, 04:15 PM	#2
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	When a word has multiple definitions, it displays them from the first one, and will show as much as fits in the space available in the pop-up definition window. You can then tap a link to see the full definition, which displays the dictionary as a book, open at that first definition, and you can page backward and forward in it, as any other book.

01-08-2014, 04:23 PM	#3
Hatgirl Addict Posts: 296 Karma: 955301 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Sony PRS-300, Sony PRS-T2, Kindle (7th Gen)	Thanks for the reply, HarryT, but I'm not sure I understand it completely So, yes the Kindle popup is capable of showing definitions from multiple <idx:entry> elements at the same time? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

01-08-2014, 05:18 PM	#4
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	How is your definition of drunk in any way a subcategory of "drink"? The only way it would be would be if the word was a past tense or something, which it is not. It is simply a related term. The dictionary does show related terms, but how it is encoded in the dictionary, I don't know. Perhaps you could strip the DRM from one of the default dictionaries, extract the HTML, and look.

01-08-2014, 06:00 PM	#6
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	You're right, I forgot about the past participle, I was thinking of plain old past tense. Is the encoding the same way they display additional words, or just an addition word for the same index? There is a separate type of display on the Kindle for related words, as opposed to different definitions of the same word.

01-09-2014, 09:45 AM	#7
Lady Stardust User Posts: 234 Karma: 3246802 Join Date: Jul 2013 Device: Iphone, Kindle 3, PW1/2/3, KOA1/2/3, Aura HD/One/, Kobo Forma	PW2013 displays for drunk -past participle of drink - adj. affected by alcohol etc etc including the meaning of drunk with -noun a person who is drunk etc etc And then some phrases In the pop up window all the above is displayed, including phrase drunk and disorderly. If you open dictionary by clicking more you get one more phrase and then drunkard as noun

01-09-2014, 11:24 AM	#8
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	That's fine, but that's not what I see for related words in an entry. It actually says Related Words, then lists possible related words, with links to them.

01-09-2014, 03:06 PM	#10
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	Kindle Keyboard, currently.

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