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The book that killed millions of people...
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Thank Gawd!
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Regardless of Ralph's warped take on the book, it was a landmark book which almost single-handedly started the environmental movement and all the good things that have come from it.
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Malaria. It used to endemic to the southeastern US, up the Atlantic coast to the D.C. area. It was killed out in the 1930's by a combination of quinine and DDT to kill the Anopholes mosquito. Same for Southern Europe. The was a world wide effort to eradicate it world wide, just like smallpox. By 1962, deaths from Malaria were down to 800 a year world wide. There was hope it could be eradicated by 1977. Then came the DDT ban, caused by Silent Spring. The few surviving reservoirs of Malaria exploded, and by 1977 there were 500,000 deaths a year. Now there are 700,000-800,000 deaths a year by Malaria. All caused by this book. But since it isn't in the US and Europe, that didn't matter. And luckily, the Plasmodium hasn't re-established itself in the First World. (A lot of careful Public Health work over the years.) Why do you think Bill Gates chose Malaria as the reason to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to try to create an effective vaccine with his charitable trust? Not the record of Das Capital/The Communist Manifesto but certainly an A team killer book. (For those who are interested, I have a degree in Micro/Molecular Biology. Epidemiology is just one of the things I studied...) I guess this is one of the good things from the environmental movement.... Drop down and read my tag line... Last edited by Greg Anos; 06-26-2012 at 07:50 AM. |
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Just to provide an example; you will probably find it impossible to find any method of power generation that is not opposed by some environmentalists. Wind turbines kill birds, hydro-power kills fish, the chemicals used to create solar cells create toxic waste, nuclear power (which even if you include the use of nuclear weapons has killed fewer people by far in the last 70 years than coal power) creates radioactive waste... -- Bill |
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And a lot of good. More good than bad in my opinion. Mankind has raped and violated the planet and we will likely die in our own filth because we were not more concerned and careful about how we dealt with nature.
P.S. DDT is only a minor issue in the age of the cosmos. Oh and Ralph, I could care less about your degree particularly since you don't work in the field and are clearly biased on this issue. This book was not, is not responsible for malaria. If DDT had not been banned, what other results would we have seen? Difficult to say, but I suspect worse that what happened. As always there are many ways to deal with issues. We as a species must learn to live as part of our environment without destroying it. This book and the environmental movement have brought that to light, but I see little chance that we will be able to pull out of the nose-dive while those like Ralph deny both the ravaging of the environment and global warming etc. etc. etc. Last edited by kennyc; 06-27-2012 at 11:45 AM. |
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As for whether the environmental movement has done more harm than good, I think that remains to be seen. Was some correction needed to the level of damage we were doing up to the 1950s and 60s? Absolutely. Have the corrections that have been implemented really going to save the planet/us? Well we will see. Quote:
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You are entitled to your bias as well as Ralph is, that doesn't make it true.
bi·as/ˈbīəs/ Noun: Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. Verb: Show prejudice for or against (someone or something) unfairly: "the tests were biased against women"; "a biased view of the world". |
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Yep, I'm just a biased, dumb, redneck...
Here's a couple articles from no-dumb redneck sites you might want to consider... http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1259 http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2010...laria-in-2008/ I'd like to give you the original WHO historical numbers, but they took everything down from before 2000. (They used to have them back to 1940, but funny, they don't have them now....) |
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I noticed that the OP article was on the Atlantic web site, but not in their magazine. Instead, the article the web piece is closely based on was published in a much lower circulation magazine. I wonder if it was submitted first to the Atlantic magazine, and web publication is their compromise.
If they rejected it for being one-sided, I applaud the rejection. It's been so long since I read the book, I could go any way here. Say it's mostly right. Or say it's the founding text of a quasi-religion. Or say that I'm glad MobileRead's lightly enforced anti-political-discussion/anti-religion policy means I've already said too much. |
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