iOS 5

Dylrob · 06-07-2011, 07:09 AM

For those who haven't heard yet, Apple has just announced the next major version of iOS. It will reportedly include over 200 new features, including an overhauled notification system which now more closely resembles Android's.

Details can be found here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/a...l-the-details/
http://www.engadget.com/wwdc-2011/ap...ds-on-preview/

I must say this makes the iPhone look a whole lot more attractive to me now. What are your thoughts?

tubemonkey · 06-07-2011, 07:41 AM

The best feature for me is losing that stupid cheap cable. It's about time they had wireless synching.

And why is it releasing so late?

montsnmags · 06-07-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

The best feature for me is losing that stupid cheap cable. It's about time they had wireless synching.

And why is it releasing so late?

My random guess would be that they may be releasing it with a new iPhone model (iPhone 4S?), as that is anticipated at about that time.

Cheers,
Marc

tubemonkey · 06-07-2011, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by montsnmags

My random guess would be that they may be releasing it with a new iPhone model (iPhone 4S?), as that is anticipated at about that time.

Cheers,
Marc

That makes sense, since the phone is also releasing late.

jbcohen · 06-07-2011, 08:12 AM

To what extent do you think apple products are becoming knock offs of other products? Some of my apple user friends are complaining that apple is moving to be more like Android and is therefore becoming less of an independent company and more of a off shoot of the Windows market. Do you feel that apple is cost competitive with the overall computer market, from a best value standpoint? Yahoo Answers has stated that the average price for a PC is $1,100 and a Mac $9K, some of my apple user friends are complaining about the price tags on their favorite apple products.

jswinden · 06-07-2011, 09:09 AM

I personally don't care for the cloud at all, so I hope there is a kill switch for iCloud. I never want my personal docs, pictures, etc. stored where I cannot have total control of them. Nor do I trust the security of ANY cloud, nor the reliability. I personally was underwhelmed by the whole iCloud and iOS 5 presentation. If anything it raises more concerns for me than anything else.

pagansoul · 06-07-2011, 10:52 AM

Yes, you can very easily 'OPP OUT' of the cloud service. The average price of Windows PC vs MAC is not so different. It's more like 1k to 2k and not 1k to 9k. You are paying extra for style and the OS. People who make their own Hackintosh lose the style but still have a functioning OSX.

ilovejedd · 06-07-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pagansoul

The average price of Windows PC vs MAC is not so different. It's more like 1k to 2k and not 1k to 9k. You are paying extra for style and the OS.

That's true. However, I'd still consider that a big difference.

=X= · 06-07-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbcohen

To what extent do you think apple products are becoming knock offs of other products? Some of my apple user friends are complaining that apple is moving to be more like Android ....

Well Steve Jobs did say it was the year of the copy cats. I suppose he wasn't lying.

=X=

DaleDe · 06-07-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by =X=

Well Steve Jobs did say it was the year of the copy cats. I suppose he wasn't lying.

=X=

Others certainly copy Apple and Apple copies others. It is the way the industry as a whole advances. Hopefully the best ideas move forward. It has been said that copying is the sincerest form of flattery. This provides the user will choice.

Dale

=X= · 06-08-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Others certainly copy Apple and Apple copies others. It is the way the industry as a whole advances. Hopefully the best ideas move forward. It has been said that copying is the sincerest form of flattery. This provides the user will choice.

Dale

Yes copying is human nature and a process that usually improves or cripples industry. I just laugh when people steal ideas from competitors and cry foul when their ideas are stolen. Unless your in a vacuum somebody else ideas are going to have an influence on your own.

Apple has taken a lot of good ideas from Android on v5 and that is good for Apple since they've copies some Android best features.(except notification... I still think BlackBery had a better system). However BB wasn't left out as their iMessenger is a knock off of BBM.

Till this day I'm still hoping Android copies apples text selection, I really do not like what exist for Android today.

=X=

volwrath · 06-08-2011, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

Till this day I'm still hoping Android copies apples text selection, I really do not like what exist for Android today.

=X=

I find gingerbread's copy paste system superior to iOS.

RockdaMan · 06-09-2011, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

Others certainly copy Apple and Apple copies others. It is the way the industry as a whole advances. Hopefully the best ideas move forward. It has been said that copying is the sincerest form of flattery. This provides the user will choice.

I'm not sure why Android fans are so up in arms about this. As you so eloquently state, it goes both ways.

Graham · 06-09-2011, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

I'm not sure why Android fans are so up in arms about this. As you so eloquently state, it goes both ways.

I think the reason for the media reaction is summed up in this paragraph about the context of these articles from your third link:

Quote:

In April, Apple sued Samsung, claiming its Android devices are copycats because they’re rectangular and use icons. In October they sued Motorola claiming Motorola stole ideas such as multitouch. Last March they sued HTC for ideas like swipe-to-unlock. Steve Jobs wrote “We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours”.

It may well go both ways, and it's great for all of us when it does, but don't crow about copied features on the one hand and slap down lawsuits on the other.

Graham

jswinden · 06-09-2011, 10:52 AM

The original Mac OS concept of a GUI with mouse control was stolen wholesale from Xerox. It is pretty much common in industry to copycat that which sells and/or works best. It certainly helps us consumers because we don't have to wait while each company attempts to reinvent the wheel.

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Dylrob Murderous Mustela Posts: 10,234 Karma: 48000000 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The other land of schnitzel and beer Device: iPad M1 Pro, Kindle Paperwhite	iOS 5 For those who haven't heard yet, Apple has just announced the next major version of iOS. It will reportedly include over 200 new features, including an overhauled notification system which now more closely resembles Android's. Details can be found here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/a...l-the-details/ http://www.engadget.com/wwdc-2011/ap...ds-on-preview/ I must say this makes the iPhone look a whole lot more attractive to me now. What are your thoughts? Last edited by Dylrob; 06-07-2011 at 07:17 AM.

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pagansoul Fanatic Posts: 509 Karma: 1098204 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Earth Device: iPhone5, iPad Gen3, Kobo, Kindle Fire, Kobo Vox. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7	Yes, you can very easily 'OPP OUT' of the cloud service. The average price of Windows PC vs MAC is not so different. It's more like 1k to 2k and not 1k to 9k. You are paying extra for style and the OS. People who make their own Hackintosh lose the style but still have a functioning OSX. Last edited by pagansoul; 06-07-2011 at 11:03 AM.

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tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,762 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	The best feature for me is losing that stupid cheap cable. It's about time they had wireless synching. And why is it releasing so late?

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jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	To what extent do you think apple products are becoming knock offs of other products? Some of my apple user friends are complaining that apple is moving to be more like Android and is therefore becoming less of an independent company and more of a off shoot of the Windows market. Do you feel that apple is cost competitive with the overall computer market, from a best value standpoint? Yahoo Answers has stated that the average price for a PC is $1,100 and a Mac $9K, some of my apple user friends are complaining about the price tags on their favorite apple products.

06-07-2011, 09:09 AM	#6
jswinden Nameless Being	I personally don't care for the cloud at all, so I hope there is a kill switch for iCloud. I never want my personal docs, pictures, etc. stored where I cannot have total control of them. Nor do I trust the security of ANY cloud, nor the reliability. I personally was underwhelmed by the whole iCloud and iOS 5 presentation. If anything it raises more concerns for me than anything else.

06-09-2011, 10:52 AM	#15
jswinden Nameless Being	The original Mac OS concept of a GUI with mouse control was stolen wholesale from Xerox. It is pretty much common in industry to copycat that which sells and/or works best. It certainly helps us consumers because we don't have to wait while each company attempts to reinvent the wheel.

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