Love the new 0.8.38 Update

Leep · 02-04-2012, 02:17 PM

You guys continue to amaze me. The new "automatically add books" feature in Calibre rocks.

Many thanks.

cheers

Sydney's Mom · 02-04-2012, 03:50 PM

I read about that and am trying to find it. It sounds absoutely wonderful!

Sydney's Mom · 02-04-2012, 03:57 PM

Pretty cool. It is under preferences, calibre behavior. Just a little worried about deleting books after they are automatically added. I am adding books from My Digital Editions folder, as most of the books I buy are Epubs.

Would it make sense to ask for this to be an option? Or am I ridiculous to keep the books after they have been added to calibre?

mikaelalind · 02-04-2012, 04:45 PM

Hrm.. I don't think I'll add the books in My ADE folder, since I have library books there. On the other hand, I might add the download folder.

I wonder if it is possible to add a format option? So that in my case it only adds books in epub and lrf? But I agree, a great job

. I think I'll test it with the K4PC folder. No library books there.

Synamon · 02-04-2012, 04:57 PM

It's actually under Preferences > Adding Books, there is a new tab labelled Automatic Adding. I like that it automatically deletes, saves me the step of manually deleting the files in the linked folder myself every once in a while.

If people are going to designate folders like Digital Editions or My Kindle Content (K4PC), then it would be better if the files weren't automatically deleted.

colinsky · 02-04-2012, 05:06 PM

Hmmm...downloaded the new release just for this feature and then saw the "Files in this folder will be deleted" when going to set this up. Was going to put it for my Library books folder, but auto-deleting would both confuse Digital Editions and prevent you from returning books early.

Normal behavior for manually adding books isn't to delete the original source file. Should Calibre be deleting files that it doesn't "own" in any scenario?

Gardenman · 02-04-2012, 05:23 PM

It would be nice to be able have more than folder for Calibre to add books from.

Sydney's Mom · 02-04-2012, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinsky

Was going to put it for my Library books folder, but auto-deleting would both confuse Digital Editions and prevent you from returning books early.

Normal behavior for manually adding books isn't to delete the original source file. Should Calibre be deleting files that it doesn't "own" in any scenario?

Great point!

ilovejedd · 02-04-2012, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinsky

Normal behavior for manually adding books isn't to delete the original source file. Should Calibre be deleting files that it doesn't "own" in any scenario?

The issue if it doesn't delete is it'll be difficult to keep track which books have already been added and which ones have not.

A less destructive method for Calibre to keep track would be to just rename the ebooks as they're added (e.g. MyBook.epub -> MyBook.epub.added) or to keep a separate database/list of added books. However, the latter would probably have noticeable performance penalty with a large number of automatically added books.

mezme · 02-04-2012, 09:31 PM

The problem that I can see (and I opened a bug report) is that when it adds books from the "watch folder" it is creating duplicate entries. Other than that it works great. I don't mind the auto delete function... I just created a "watch folder" on my desktop so I can copy files to it that I want calibredb to add. It's saved a lot of time so far - except for having to go back and merge duplicate books!

kovidgoyal · 02-04-2012, 10:48 PM

As ilovejedd pointed out, keeping the files behind in the add folder is a big performance hit over time if you dont clean it out manually from time to time. It means calibre has to keep track of the files it has already added and compare every file in the folder to the history every time the folder is scanned.

As for duplicates, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/926962

colinsky · 02-04-2012, 11:06 PM

In most cases, wouldn't just keeping the timestamp of the last file added be sufficient?

kovidgoyal · 02-04-2012, 11:22 PM

Not really, there's too much potential for magic behavior where some files end up not getting added for reasons that are unclear. I prefer the clean behavior of removing after adding. And in some OSes (*cough*windows*cough*) filesystem performance degrades very badly when there are large numbers of nodes in directory entry.

mezme · 02-04-2012, 11:28 PM

*lol* and sometimes windows *grins* has arbitrary dates and it's frustrating *lol*.

I went and checked the bug report... if you could give us an option to have it duplicate check that would be awesome! Then we could either use it or not depending on how we are using the watch file.

DoctorOhh · 02-04-2012, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinsky

Hmmm...downloaded the new release just for this feature and then saw the "Files in this folder will be deleted" when going to set this up. Was going to put it for my Library books folder, but auto-deleting would both confuse Digital Editions and prevent you from returning books early.

Then you shouldn't use a folder used by another program. Just create a unique drop folder where anything you drop in the folder will be added to calibre.

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinsky

Normal behavior for manually adding books isn't to delete the original source file. Should Calibre be deleting files that it doesn't "own" in any scenario?

This isn't normal adding of books. If you place a book in the folder for automatic adding to calibre then calibre owns the book as soon as it is added to the folder. Simple and low maintenance, drop the book in the folder and forget about it.

Just don't try to complicate things by using a folder not dedicated to the automatic adding feature.

02-04-2012, 02:17 PM	#1
Leep Guru Posts: 739 Karma: 1018859 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Near Seattle Device: kindle1, K3, K3G (thanks MR), iTouch, Kindle Touch	Love the new 0.8.38 Update You guys continue to amaze me. The new "automatically add books" feature in Calibre rocks. Many thanks. cheers

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Sydney's Mom Wizard Posts: 2,899 Karma: 6995721 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Idaho, on the side of a mountain Device: Kindle Oasis, Fire 3d Gen and 5th Gen and Samsung Tab S	I read about that and am trying to find it. It sounds absoutely wonderful!

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Sydney's Mom Wizard Posts: 2,899 Karma: 6995721 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Idaho, on the side of a mountain Device: Kindle Oasis, Fire 3d Gen and 5th Gen and Samsung Tab S	Pretty cool. It is under preferences, calibre behavior. Just a little worried about deleting books after they are automatically added. I am adding books from My Digital Editions folder, as most of the books I buy are Epubs. Would it make sense to ask for this to be an option? Or am I ridiculous to keep the books after they have been added to calibre?

02-04-2012, 04:45 PM	#4
mikaelalind Fanatic Posts: 590 Karma: 788068 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sweden Device: Sony PRS 505, Cybook Odessey	Hrm.. I don't think I'll add the books in My ADE folder, since I have library books there. On the other hand, I might add the download folder. I wonder if it is possible to add a format option? So that in my case it only adds books in epub and lrf? But I agree, a great job . I think I'll test it with the K4PC folder. No library books there.

02-04-2012, 04:57 PM	#5
Synamon Lunatic Posts: 1,691 Karma: 4386372 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Land of the Loonie Device: Kindle Paperwhite and Keyboard, Kobo Aura, iPad mini, iPod Touch	It's actually under Preferences > Adding Books, there is a new tab labelled Automatic Adding. I like that it automatically deletes, saves me the step of manually deleting the files in the linked folder myself every once in a while. If people are going to designate folders like Digital Editions or My Kindle Content (K4PC), then it would be better if the files weren't automatically deleted.

02-04-2012, 05:06 PM	#6
colinsky Addict Posts: 240 Karma: 3500000 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: Sony PRS-300, PRS-T1, PRS-T3	Hmmm...downloaded the new release just for this feature and then saw the "Files in this folder will be deleted" when going to set this up. Was going to put it for my Library books folder, but auto-deleting would both confuse Digital Editions and prevent you from returning books early. Normal behavior for manually adding books isn't to delete the original source file. Should Calibre be deleting files that it doesn't "own" in any scenario?

02-04-2012, 05:23 PM	#7
Gardenman Wizard Posts: 1,120 Karma: 9335038 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Device: sony prs-350,Nook HD+, Kindle 2nd gen, kindle keyboard	It would be nice to be able have more than folder for Calibre to add books from.

02-04-2012, 09:31 PM	#10
mezme Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: PRS700	The problem that I can see (and I opened a bug report) is that when it adds books from the "watch folder" it is creating duplicate entries. Other than that it works great. I don't mind the auto delete function... I just created a "watch folder" on my desktop so I can copy files to it that I want calibredb to add. It's saved a lot of time so far - except for having to go back and merge duplicate books!

02-04-2012, 10:48 PM	#11
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,359 Karma: 27182818 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	As ilovejedd pointed out, keeping the files behind in the add folder is a big performance hit over time if you dont clean it out manually from time to time. It means calibre has to keep track of the files it has already added and compare every file in the folder to the history every time the folder is scanned. As for duplicates, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/926962

02-04-2012, 11:06 PM	#12
colinsky Addict Posts: 240 Karma: 3500000 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: Sony PRS-300, PRS-T1, PRS-T3	In most cases, wouldn't just keeping the timestamp of the last file added be sufficient?

02-04-2012, 11:22 PM	#13
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,359 Karma: 27182818 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Not really, there's too much potential for magic behavior where some files end up not getting added for reasons that are unclear. I prefer the clean behavior of removing after adding. And in some OSes (coughwindowscough) filesystem performance degrades very badly when there are large numbers of nodes in directory entry.

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02-04-2012, 11:28 PM	#14
mezme Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: PRS700	lol and sometimes windows grins has arbitrary dates and it's frustrating lol. I went and checked the bug report... if you could give us an option to have it duplicate check that would be awesome! Then we could either use it or not depending on how we are using the watch file.