Kindle: Text-to-speech disabling has arrived

KarlB · 05-13-2009, 09:15 AM

This apparently began yesterday. See Toni Morrison's A Mercy for example, and note the text "Text-to-Speech: Not enabled" below the price information. I did a more-or-less random scan of popular novels in the Kindle store and found 14 out of 42 books had this annotation.

Get out the Crayolas and color me not-happy.

CCDMan · 05-13-2009, 09:56 AM

I am glad that Amazon has made this information fairly visible at least. I am sure they too want to squeeze the publishers and authors on this. Perhaps that will allow Kindle content buyers to vote with their dollars by not buying these and by posting negative comments (which I plan to do right now).

JSWolf · 05-13-2009, 10:01 AM

Strip the DRM and get TTS back.

Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook?

David Munch · 05-13-2009, 10:49 AM

And theres an easy answer to this behavior - Don't buy "No TTS" books! ....Hey, don't buy DRM books!

bhartman36 · 05-13-2009, 11:49 AM

It's a shame that Amazon caved in and allowed publishers to disable TTS, but I'm glad that at least there's a way to know it beforehand now. I have a friend who's legally blind who would like to own a Kindle, but didn't want to take the chance of buying an ebook, just to find out that it had the TTS disabled. At least now he'll have that information. (Of course, I'm not sure he'd want a Kindle, knowing that publishers could do this, but it does make it more likely that he'd buy one.)

I put a no-tts tag on Morrison's book. I plan to do so on any book that I find with that kind of restriction. Publishers should be ashamed.

wallcraft · 05-13-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook?

If stripping the DRM isn't enough (and it might not be), then run it through Calibre. The output from Calibre should not have the TTS flag in its metadata at all.

Since Amazon has already said that copyright holders have no right to restrict TTS, I assume they won't complain if someone works out how to re-enable TTS without stripping DRM. I would not be surprised if this easy to do (it is either easy or impossible). The authors and publishers could still object though.

catsittingstill · 05-13-2009, 12:36 PM

At least you can tell which books are TTS disabled, so you can factor that in while thinking about whether the book is worth the price. Thanks, KarlB, for alerting us!

tompe · 05-13-2009, 12:55 PM

Has anybody checked the meta data of the books to see if it is something simple to change?

Daithi · 05-13-2009, 01:07 PM

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

numindast · 05-13-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

This would impede the ability to search for good books based on review stars for folks who don't use TTS, though.

... oh wait, book reviews on Amazon are kinda like AOL chatrooms for pre-adolescents anyway. Nevermind.

j/k!

bhartman36 · 05-13-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

I did consider this. The problem is that stars aren't for certain categories, but just overall scores. You have to specify your reason in the actual review. This has the unintended consequence of potentially biasing results against a particular author in an unwarranted way. For example, Toni Morrison's A Mercy has the TTS disabled, but other books of hers do not. Worse, unlike the quality of a book, the TTS status of a book can potentially change. I don't know how often -- or even if -- that has happened, but it's a possibility. And as long as it's a possibility, there's the potential that such a rating could unfairly affect a book, if its status changes.

Of course, the same can be said of taggign a book no-tts, but at least you can flag a tag as inappropriate for a book (e.g., when a book that's been given the 9.99 boycott tag has a price drop).

And of course, the other thing to consider is that ratings go across formats. Should a paperback get a bad review just because the ebook version of the book doesn't have TTS?

Daithi · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

To be honest, I'm not sure that giving the book a one star review is the way to go. I suppose if not having TTS really upsets you then give it a single star review (you can always delete your reviews if things change later). Otherwise, you could find other ways to protest -- write the publisher/author, don't buy it, etc. Personally, I'd want TTS, but it's really not a make or break feature for me.

whitearrow · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews.

Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

Sporadic · 05-13-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews.

Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

I can understand giving it a bad review for poor formatting or something of that nature but nobody should give bad reviews for disabled TTS.

fugazied · 05-13-2009, 09:18 PM

Well it's not Amazon's fault so much as it is the fault of the specific publisher.
Publishers are still terrified of the internet/ebooks and how it affects their copyright it seems.

05-13-2009, 09:15 AM	#1
KarlB Enthusiast Posts: 36 Karma: 40 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: clay tablet	Kindle: Text-to-speech disabling has arrived This apparently began yesterday. See Toni Morrison's A Mercy for example, and note the text "Text-to-Speech: Not enabled" below the price information. I did a more-or-less random scan of popular novels in the Kindle store and found 14 out of 42 books had this annotation. Get out the Crayolas and color me not-happy. Last edited by Nate the great; 05-13-2009 at 09:21 AM. Reason: fixed the link, moved to front page

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05-13-2009, 09:56 AM	#2
CCDMan *** Posts: 335 Karma: 5759 Join Date: Mar 2006 Device: ***	I am glad that Amazon has made this information fairly visible at least. I am sure they too want to squeeze the publishers and authors on this. Perhaps that will allow Kindle content buyers to vote with their dollars by not buying these and by posting negative comments (which I plan to do right now).

05-13-2009, 10:01 AM	#3
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,740 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Strip the DRM and get TTS back. Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook?

05-13-2009, 10:49 AM	#4
David Munch Scholar Posts: 1,012 Karma: 3999312 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Denmark Device: Kobo Libra H2O + iPad Air 4	And theres an easy answer to this behavior - Don't buy "No TTS" books! ....Hey, don't buy DRM books!

05-13-2009, 11:49 AM	#5
bhartman36 Wizard Posts: 1,323 Karma: 1515835 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Jersey, USA Device: Kobo Libra Colour, Kindle Paperwhite Signature Edition (2021)	It's a shame that Amazon caved in and allowed publishers to disable TTS, but I'm glad that at least there's a way to know it beforehand now. I have a friend who's legally blind who would like to own a Kindle, but didn't want to take the chance of buying an ebook, just to find out that it had the TTS disabled. At least now he'll have that information. (Of course, I'm not sure he'd want a Kindle, knowing that publishers could do this, but it does make it more likely that he'd buy one.) I put a no-tts tag on Morrison's book. I plan to do so on any book that I find with that kind of restriction. Publishers should be ashamed.

05-13-2009, 12:36 PM	#7
catsittingstill Guru Posts: 643 Karma: 551634 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle 1.0.8, iPod Touch, Kindle Keyboard	At least you can tell which books are TTS disabled, so you can factor that in while thinking about whether the book is worth the price. Thanks, KarlB, for alerting us!

05-13-2009, 12:55 PM	#8
tompe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW	Has anybody checked the meta data of the books to see if it is something simple to change?

05-13-2009, 01:07 PM	#9
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

05-13-2009, 06:39 PM	#12
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	To be honest, I'm not sure that giving the book a one star review is the way to go. I suppose if not having TTS really upsets you then give it a single star review (you can always delete your reviews if things change later). Otherwise, you could find other ways to protest -- write the publisher/author, don't buy it, etc. Personally, I'd want TTS, but it's really not a make or break feature for me.

05-13-2009, 06:39 PM	#13
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews. Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

05-13-2009, 09:18 PM	#15
fugazied Wizard Posts: 1,305 Karma: 1958 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: iPod Touch	Well it's not Amazon's fault so much as it is the fault of the specific publisher. Publishers are still terrified of the internet/ebooks and how it affects their copyright it seems.

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