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Old 01-23-2020, 11:50 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by BetterRed View Post
me too
It is absolutely fantastic on Mobile, since it makes so many of those dreadful "Mobile-friendly" designs actually readable. (Nothing worse than blinding white + enormous text + enormous margins + enormous paragraph spacing.)

Shame support for it is pretty much non-existent though. Looks like only one person works on it and barely any fixes:

https://github.com/mozilla/readability

And to even enable the button, it relies on heuristics... so some poorly coded sites don't even let you click it. (All the more reason to use correct semantic markup on your sites.)

Or many sites have text that poofs into thin air (like sites that hide articles in disgusting javascript, inserting text directly in one giant <div>, etc.).

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
Can you guess what I'm holding back from just throwing out there?


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Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
By the way: when I google "download sigil," the Wordpress site is #1 and the Github Sigil Releases page is #2.
I'm just not seeing the same things at all:

Bing:
  • "Sigil" (the official site shows in sidebar).
    • Site #1
    • Github #9
      • (completely buried under... videos, definition, etc. etc.)
  • "Sigil download"
    • Site #1
    • Github #18 (and links to 0.9.8)

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Startpage:
  • "Sigil"
    • Site #1
    • Github #11 + #12 (releases + main)
  • "Sigil Download"
    • Site #1
    • Github #2 (releases)

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DuckDuckGo:
  • "Sigil"
    • Site #1
    • Github #8 + 9 (main + releases)
  • "Sigil download"
    • Site #2
      • Softsonic is actually #1, yuck
    • Github #7

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Google:
  • "Sigil"
    • Site #1
    • Github #15+#16
  • "Sigil download"
    • Github #1
    • Site #3

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
I've found that when people go to websites looking for links, they almost always tend to find them.
Maybe, eventually, perhaps... but it could be a pain to hunt down.

As I've explained in one of the earlier topics, one potential enhancement on the blog/site is to flip the downloads to display first, changelog second:

Currently:

Code:
- Sigil 1.0 Release
1. Huuuuuuge Changelog
2. Check the Wiki
3. Mac Users TCL
4. User Guide
5. PGP Fingerprint
6. Download (Github Link)
(And as this topic shows, the links are sometimes hard to distinguish too, especially when you're scrolling past pages and pages of technical gobbledeegook. :P)

Proposed:

Code:
- Sigil 1.0 Release
1. Download (Github Link)
--- Fat and extra bolded.
2. User Guide
3. Mac Users TCL
4. Check the Wiki
5(6?). Huuuuuuge Changelog
6(5?). PGP Fingerprint
--- Maybe display PGP on Github?
* * *

Not to throw him under the bus again, but I think Gregg Bell is pretty indicative of a "typical author" user.

Just yesterday he said he completed another book, and wants to get the latest Sigil.

He always get confused with Github, trying to find out exactly where (or what exact file) download.

Remember, he's non-technical, and Github is... not the easiest layout to understand + has lots of technical language. Plus, he only has to use Sigil every few months (so you tend to forget where the trustworthy sites are, don't want to scroll through months of changelogs, [...].)

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
And truth be told ... I quite loathe website/blog work. Go figure.
Give me access to it. I don't mind copying/pasting or moving some basic text around. (Or even manually adding some <b> around those links.)

Heck, I'll just imagine it's a really boring book!

I shift text around and cleanup code for a living! :P

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
The OP finding their way here to make the suggestion sort of proves that "hard to see links" are more of an annoyance than a hurdle. If I were looking to earn money from Sigil, removing all speedbumps might be something I'd concern myself with. But I'm not.
You have to think of the "invisible people".

The ones who come here and make suggestions are just a small subset.

Similar to that dreaded term—customer support:

If someone goes out of their way to make a complaint helpful suggestion, you can extrapolate that many other users are facing those same issues speedbumps.

The vast majority of speedbumps are going to be negative (especially if they finally manage to trudge through the depths and land here when they're frustrated!).

If everything is going smoothly, people are quiet... and very rarely, they'll show up and give positives (even though they'll be thinking very positive thoughts and love Sigil and think it's 99.999% amazing!).

* * *

Anyway, I'm here to still tell you and KevinH that I love you, and I love Sigil, and I think this program is one of the awesomest things since sliced bread.

(And in my email to Gregg, I told him how awesome Sigil 1.0 is with speedups in Spellcheck + Reports are, because KevinH speedily implemented them based on my reports.)

Last edited by Tex2002ans; 01-24-2020 at 12:04 AM.
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