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Originally Posted by kindlekitten
other than a rant, I'm not really sure what your point was.
I've worn the uniform of this country. you?
I've been in combat. you?
I have a son that became a Navy SEAL and now works as a threat analyst for the US Government. you?
I have a daughter that saved a woman's life at the age of 16, was honored for it, received her Girl Scout Gold Award, is finishing her degree in Physical Therapy while married to her submariner husband. you?
I am active in Girl Scouting, training adults how to become leaders, specializing in troop camp training, and intervening with troubled troops. you?
I am active in Search and Rescue, have been the primary rescuer in 10 finds. you?
present a program called "Hug a Tree" to youth, which gives them tools to not become lost in the woods, and then teaches them what to do if they are. you?
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So the hell what? None of your damn buisness. That's sort of the point here, NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUISNESS. other people don't need to inform you of what they do where they go who they are or why no matter how much you wish otherwise.
Nothing will make you right. Maybe you and your ilk will manage to get together the naked force to make everyone conform to your wishes but nothing you did in the past changes that you stand against liberty.
By the way, last I checked the US doesn't put women in combat so out of intellectual curiosity and the chance to catch you in a lie, how did you manage it?
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In boot camp sufficient nutrition and medical care are made available.
and it is in prison as well. might not taste very good though. The ability to make phone calls home is not so restricted. I was able to call home exactly twice except when I was in the hospital
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We're not talking of prison we're talking of jail. And there have been complaints of insufficient and spoiled food served as a cost cutting measure. Lawsuits were filed find the old thread about it I linked citations there.
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Originally Posted by kindlekitten
then they should have actively ensured that they remained out of jail. ie; not comitted crimes. for those few that are incorrectly imprisoned, I am truly sorry.
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You'll be sorry when you step out the door without ID one day and end up in custody for it. that is the world you want isn't it?
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Originally Posted by kindlekitten
you missed the point. the point was people had broken the law in various activities, now everyone pays the consequences
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You missed the point. Our founders valued liberty over tyranny, everyone pays the consequences by having to accept that there's going to be some anti-social asshats who break the social contract. If you can find them without violating anyone's civil rights then the state has the power to put them in the penalty box. You don't punish everyone.
not being punished for acts you had no part in was a big deal when they were writing the constitution they even forbid attainder. That's not exactly punishing the whole society but the concept of not punishing others for the acts of one is why attainder is forbidden.
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Originally Posted by kindlekitten
now what you are eluding to IS illegal search and seizure, and except under Marshal Law, will not happen.
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why not? You're support standing us right on the edge of a slippery slope. Why should a demand for ID not be a demand to turn out your pockets. Why should a demand of ID be done one on one when you can set up a checkpoint. Why set up one checkpoint when you can do it every half mile. Why just check ID when you can record the data at the same time? You think the police just won't do it? They're people, they're flawed as anyone else, it's all about catching criminals right who cares about a few abuses?
No thanks. I'd rather not trust human goodness to prevent police harassment. I'd rather laws be written to prevent abuse not encourage it.
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Originally Posted by kindlekitten
try taking a COnstitutional Law class. you simply are not getting it
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says the person who thinks being secure in your papers means IP instead of data.
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I'm not sure what this is in reference to
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don't ask don't tell and the mini-thread that popped up around it. I answered someone else and you jumped in with a reply and then called me out for it not being relevant when I replied to your reply. I'm basically saying if you don't want to talk about it then stop replying about it, all i did was answer someone else.
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oh you're funny
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only funny looking, now how about that data? Is showing ID only for everyone else? Cough up.
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just wow! first I'm a socialist, then I'm a facist.
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No I don't think you're a socialist, while papers please is something I've felt pride about us not having as opposed to the eastern bloc during the cold war it isn't a socialist measure just an authoritarian one. No you really come off more as a fascist.