[Iphinome]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

you sound like a spoiled little girl with an overblown sense of a right to entitlement. this attitude that drips lack if respect is becoming the norm. children are not being held accountable for their actions, and this continues into adulthood with attitudes of "just because it is a law, or common sense, because "I" am special, I do not have to do it. if anyone in authority has a problem with it, well then it is their problem and I will make sure that I take up value court time to make sure everyone is aware of MY opinion.

Nice personal attacks there. I'm not arguing only for myself Idon't approve of doing it to anyone else either.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

just gotta answer as they come. so you have a problem with people in jail that HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME BE TREATED LIEK CRIMINALS????? really? you want them babied or something? treated better than the homeless? the ill?

I don't approve of treating the homeless and the ill badly. I don't approve of treating prisoners badly. Don't treat people badly, it isn't nice.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

it just isn't rocket science sweetie. carry ID. manyEuropean countries have had to for quite awhile. "Your papers please" did not go out with the Nazis.

Perhaps it should have. No forget perhaps. It should have. Where's the probable cause? Is liberty limited by except when someone in authority decides to single you out? Except when some policeman is having a bad day? If in other places they find that sort of thing acceptable well, that's tragic but that doesn't make it acceptable here.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

sometimes history needs a lesson. in this case it is that identification has to be looked at. actually in this is so much better than many historical episodes. this is not the "Jews" not the "blacks" not hte "Asians" or any other color. this is so many people do have a righteous right to be here, we need to verify anyone whenever it appears necessary.

Why? Why is this ore important than the basic right to go about your lawful buisness without state interference?

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

no matter how you twist it, I don't see how this is violating hte constitution.

1'st 4'th and 14'th amendments. Freedom of assembly is infringed, when people aren't able to go about their businesses without state intimidation.
When the police stop you without cause and make demands that is intimidation. The demand to produce information could be considered a search and while a pat down without a warrant might be acceptable, a person's papers are specially listed in the 4'th amendment. When walking while brown is enough to generate police attention then you're violating the equal protection clause of the 14'th amendment.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

how?

don't ask don't tell which is the law I was replying about in that quote violates equal protection. I'd wager it probably goes against more thana few anti discrimination laws as well but a civil rights lawyer would be the one to consult about that.

And as a matter of my personal morality discriminating against homosexuals is wrong. If you think otherwise I doubt anything anyone here can say will convince you otherwise.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

as for kids running around, people going to the local stop and rob, whatever it takes, there are so many ways to carry an ID that your arguments are laughable. there are neckpouches, wrist wallets, ankle wallets, sock wallets, bra wallets. probably something for jockstraps that I don't want to know about. is a person is LEGALLY here and has nothing to hide, there just is no reason not to carry an ID

of course if you have nothing to hide why do you object to a search... Will you be posting a scan of your birth certificate and tell me when you use the bathroom do you do so with the door open or closed? If you have nothing to hide I assume you never close the door. If you don't value privacy that's your buisness, give yours away. For myself I'd like to decide for myself what I want to make public and what I want to keep to myself.

Everyone can carry ID, not everyone does. People shouldn't have to. One should not risk police detention if they walk out the door without carrying their papers. Anonymity isn't a crime.

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

and bring on the guest workers!!!! can you imagine how much better they will be treated with laws that will protect them? oh HELL yeah!

*shrug* probably a good idea. If there's work issue work visas. A bit too common sense for government though.