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Originally Posted by Iphinome
When looking at any law I think it's best to consider what the biggest powertripping asshat you can think of will do with it. Now imagine a bunch of kids skateboarding in a park rounded up and taken down tot he police station because they didn't have proof of citizenship on them. Then imagine someone walking while black in a rich neighborhood. Now imagine someone working on a doughnut shop who accidentally spills some coffee on a cop. Now imagine a reporter with an out of state ID poking around in some rual town run by some polygamous separatist types. Just accepting the inconvenience of having to present your papers on demand is quite bad enough but the way it is sure to be abused opens a huge civil rights can of worms.
How can anyone like the idea of being required to prove on demand at any time that they are innocent of illegal immigration or face arrest?
I'll tell you why they might vote for it. They think oh no it'll never happen to me except of course that it will eventually.
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you sound like a spoiled little girl with an overblown sense of a right to entitlement. this attitude that drips lack if respect is becoming the norm. children are not being held accountable for their actions, and this continues into adulthood with attitudes of "just because it is a law, or common sense, because
"I" am special, I do not have to do it. if anyone in authority has a problem with it, well then it is
their problem and I will make sure that I take up value court time to make sure everyone is aware of
MY opinion.
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Originally Posted by Iphinome
I wasn't suggesting anything that happened but you can google Maricopa County's sheriff. I'm talking about what could and I predict will happen. This is a law that I promise you will be abused. read my earlier posts for some things I think will happen.
just gotta answer as they come. so you have a problem with people in jail that HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME BE TREATED LIEK CRIMINALS????? really? you want them babied or something? treated better than the homeless? the ill?
How much better is Arizona? If the police can stop anyone and demand proof of innocence? People will support this because if they don't have brown skin they think this law will have no effect on them.
it just isn't rocket science sweetie. carry ID. manyEuropean countries have had to for quite awhile. "Your papers please" did not go out with the Nazis.
I don't care if the majority want it. History is full of examples of the tyranny of the majority, I don't even need to godwin this discussion, look back to segregation. The majority are wrong. If they want to control immigration they need to do it another way.
sometimes history needs a lesson. in this case it is that identification has to be looked at. actually in this is so much better than many historical episodes. this is not the "Jews" not the "blacks" not hte "Asians" or any other color. this is so many people do have a righteous right to be here, we need to verify anyone whenever it appears necessary.
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Originally Posted by Iphinome
If you think the majority should have the final say on everything then yes there is no common ground. Things like the US bill of rights are there to prevent the tyranny of the majority, the people simply can't vote themselves a law that violates the constitution. By extension no matter how many people vote for tyranny it is still tyranny. If the majority vote for a guilty till proven innocent law for legal residency then the people are wrong.
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no matter how you twist it, I don't see how this is violating hte constitution.
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Well I certainly hope the courts or the congress do something to change that. The law is wrong.
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how?
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You are free to dismiss my views but at this point I think you're being rude.
If you won't or can't debate the point fine but how much death and brutality I've personally witnessed really has nothing to do with the Arizona law we've been talking about being unjust and opening the way for a lot of abuse.
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as for kids running around, people going to the local stop and rob, whatever it takes, there are so many ways to carry an ID that your arguments are laughable. there are neckpouches, wrist wallets, ankle wallets, sock wallets, bra wallets. probably something for jockstraps that I don't want to know about. is a person is LEGALLY here and has nothing to hide, there just is no reason not to carry an ID
and bring on the guest workers!!!! can you imagine how much better they will be treated with laws that will protect them? oh HELL yeah!