Thread: Arizonan restrictive law backfires
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:48 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Iphinome View Post
Then let's change things up a bit, a bunch of teenagers are standing around somewhere. They're dressed funny and listening to that stuff that passes for music. They're not speaking English because if my time in highschool was any indication it's wrong to use a language a passing person might understand so if you know another one, speak it whenever you can.

Then there's a lawful police encounter. I have those all the time, a cop drives up or walks up asks you if everything's okay often asks your name. This time they say papers please citizen. Since you're not required to carry ID and someone under 18 might not even have one to carry any of those kids with bown skin now has to worry about being detained even though they've broken no laws.

I'm also going to agree with the idea that no person can be illegal. The whole idea makes me really uncomfortable and the term suggests that such people are somehow less than the rest of us. They may very well have done something illegal but calling the person illegal has very uncomfortable civil rights implications in my mind. Law breakers still retain the basic rights of personhood.
what on earth are you doing that inspires such frequent law enforcement contact?

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Originally Posted by obs20 View Post
Not every state in the USA requires such proof. Maryland for one doesn't.
Americans often go around without ID if they are not driving. There is no law that requires this of a US citizen. I know this is hard fact for many to accept.
are you sure about this? I believe everywhere has the ability to charge for vagrancy, and the key to not being charged is having ID

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Yes they can but that's not what is at issue here. Most of us just get slapped with a summons and deal with it later but if your immigration status is questioned then, even if you are a US citizen, you will be detained. A driver's license in the case of many states is not enough.

This could lead to all of us having to carry a passport or national id card. If that's what you want then campaign for it.
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