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Old 06-15-2010, 08:27 AM   #424
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Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
There are no prophets, we can only know what we can know. We have to do the best we can and that is science and the scientific method upon which it is based. Anything other than that is potentially false.

Math is science.
There are no prophets, we can only know what we can know.

A part from the tautology, I agree totally in what I know you mean by this.

We have to do the best we can and that is science. Absolutely.

the scientific method upon which it is based. That, I am afraid, and I tried to show you why in simple and elementary terms, is pure arbitrarian black magic. Even with science, that is our only hope, we are fumbling in the darkness. It is too big and complex and it lasts for too long. There is very little we can say about it and every thing we say is highly doubtful. We stiil try to do our best.

Math is science.
Math is not a science. It is the most arbitrary thing ever invented by human mind. It deals with pure abstractions. It is a game. All mathematicians know that, maybe they will not admit it, as it might damage their career or status or whatever, but they all know it. It is enormously useful, it is unbelievably pretty, whatever but it is not a science. You need it for science. As much as one can grasp, and it is always too little.
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