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Originally Posted by beppe
Nice. I follow you. you came very close to my attitude. I do not "know" the transcended with our empirical realist structures of knowledge.
I just let it come to me, if it comes good if not I feel a little more dry. Then I play a little with the idea of it, tease the whirls it leaves in my spirit and the shadows it leaves in my mind, may be there is something that I did not perceive and that has still flavor. Transcendent was originally dealt with Dionisiac practices. The old ways took tens of thousands of years to develop and it will take tens of thousands of years to erase them from our culture. Like the devotion to the Mother. The first gate to transcendent.
Logic will not get us anywhere. You a mathematician? Are you familiar with concept of left null space? There. It is not difficult to find references to it in the net.
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And I likewise come very close to what I think is your position. Maybe the only difference is that whereas you let "it" come to you I meet "it" with "neti neti"*, (at least I do when I am on my toes!).
I'm not a mathematician so my understanding of null space is intuitive rather than technical but seems to correspond to the point of emptiness.
Here's an image I keep in my head. When we have a ring doughnut which consists of dough and a hole - the hole is that which is not the dough! However, if we remove all the dough because what we are really interested in is the hole, what becomes of the hole? It's not there - the hole only exists in relation to the dough. And so it is with the transcended - it has the appearance of being something from the point of view of the empirical but if we try divest ourselves of our empirical realist framework we find only the hole - emptiness.
*Let me know if you don't know the reference.