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Originally Posted by TGS

Are you not falling into the trap from which Kant tried to save us? We are necessarily empirical realists - we cannot but take the empirical world to be real (ask an empirical idealist not to look before they cross a busy road and you will soon discover how untenable empirical idealism is) - but we are also necessarily transcendental idealists - we take there to be some reality to which we cannot have access, it is transcendent to our experience and, therefore, unknowable. So far, so good. The difficulty comes when we try to "know" the transcended with our empirical realist structures of knowledge. If there are things happening in the universe of which we know nothing then...well, we know nothing of them! If one of the things we don't know is whether the earth has intentions then we don't know it, and by your argument it seems that in principal we cannot know it, which I am happy to accept.

Recognizing the limitations of human knowledge does not take us beyond those limitations, and does not make the limited knowledge we have fantasy - it could only be characterized as fantasy if one had some knowledge of transcendental reality against which to measure the "unreality" of the empirical world - but then of course that "knowledge of transcendental reality" would be the subject of human knowledge and, thereby, would not be transcendent!

Nice. I follow you. you came very close to my attitude. I do not "know" the transcended with our empirical realist structures of knowledge.
I just let it come to me, if it comes good if not I feel a little more dry. Then I play a little with the idea of it, tease the whirls it leaves in my spirit and the shadows it leaves in my mind, may be there is something that I did not perceive and that has still flavor. Transcendent was originally dealt with Dionisiac practices. The old ways took tens of thousands of years to develop and it will take tens of thousands of years to erase them from our culture. Like the devotion to the Mother. The first gate to transcendent.

Logic will not get us anywhere. You a mathematician? Are you familiar with concept of left null space? There. It is not difficult to find references to it in the net.



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