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Old 06-11-2010, 07:43 AM   #253
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Guess bottom line ... and this gets back to philosophy ... is whether you believe there is a true physical universe out there independent of "minds" or not.

I do.

I find no reason to believe that an observer has to exist at all. This is one reason I have major problems with some of the concepts of Quantum Theory though there are some interesting interpretations of them as well.
Again, I'd go so far with you on this - there exists a physical universe (not sure about "out there" - "in here" seems to be just as much part of it - but dualism seems to have a tenacious hold on all of us!). But beyond the bare fact of its existence, the question is what can we know of it?
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