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nerys · 09-04-2007, 10:19 PM

As I have been trying to tell you Legal and enforceable are 2 different things. People have this fictional thought that if its enforced its law. The DMCA by constitutional definition is not law. I have already agreed it is enforced (illegally) I am trying to educate people to understand that just because its enforced does not change thats its illegal.

The supreme court can not declare a law illegal or they could just "declare" the 1st amendment illegal. They simply DISCOVER its illegal. Sadly they are proving to be about as corrupt as the rest of the system. I lost 100% of my faith in the supreme court when they decreed that eminent domain could be used to TAKE land from one private citizen to allow the state to GIVE it to another private citizen.

You fail to understand that many people sadly WILL believe a law is lawful if its enforced the logic goes how could they pass it into law otherwise?

This is extremely flawed and dangerous reasoning. People need to understand WE as a society (not individuals) do not BEND to the law. THE LAW bends to US. Its so critical that people understand that just because big company SAYS SO does not MAKE IT so even if they can BUY congress into passing it illegally.

ALL I am saying NatCh is you have to choose your battles but before you even do that you have to be knowledgeable on the RULES of this battle field.

DEFYING the DMCA in a morally justifiable way (cracking what I own and nothing mroe verse cracking an illegal copy or distributing it) are 2 different things and courts WILL recognize this difference.

NO reasonable court would ever convict me of cracking the DRM on my own property (such as RIPPING a DVD) if I own that DVD and did not SHARE IT (the cracked version ie upload copy and give out etc..) It would not even get past arraignment in a reasonable court and NO lawyer worth the retainer he is paid would go forward with such a suit. NOT ONLY would they lose but it would FORCE the issue to be brought up in court and they DO NOT want that to happen. This issue is not relevant if your otherwise breaking the law (uploading etc..)

MY RISK is low. The anti gun laws (all of them actually) are all illegal. there is NO exception in the constitution for ANY gun control laws. Congress Shall make NO LAW respecting the right to bear arms. That means even so much as requiring a permit or 7 day wait IS ILLEGAL. 100% of those laws are NOT in fact laws. They were void on inception. BUT again they are enforced. The ONLY exception MIGHT be a background check if you are no longer allowed to carry a gun (felony?? though I have yet to research the legality of that even)

Point of fact. I LIKE the "wait" period for hand guns. Its the ONLY gun law so far I have ever found that actually serves a legitimate almost lawful purpose. It stops or slows down crimes of passion. Its still illegal according to the 2nd amendment. It says NO LAW not some laws or only laws that make sense. NO LAWS.

Point is Defying the DMCA with my own property that does not violate any other laws WILL NOT result in harm to me financially or personally.

Defying the DC ban on guns would certainly land me in jail and possibly get me killed.

Little Movements is the way you do it. Little Movements.

Defying the DMCA and refusing "bag checks" as I exit shopping stores or not providing ID to an officer just because he asks for it are "little movements" with little risk BUT they have big chances to EDUCATE the populace. Not only by being public but by ... having little risk to "trying" them out. Think of it as shareware freedoms. Except once you try them you realize they were always yours but there not free. The cost is you have to FIGHT for them. DEMAND they not be violated.

With an educated populace larger movements become possible (constitutionally speaking we have a populace that is so uneducated as a whole its mentally retarded literally. :-(

If we had even a HALF educated populace the president would have been immediately impeached when he signed the patriot act into law illegally (an act of treason) Most of congress would have been chased out of office as well.

09-04-2007, 10:19 PM	#35
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	As I have been trying to tell you Legal and enforceable are 2 different things. People have this fictional thought that if its enforced its law. The DMCA by constitutional definition is not law. I have already agreed it is enforced (illegally) I am trying to educate people to understand that just because its enforced does not change thats its illegal. The supreme court can not declare a law illegal or they could just "declare" the 1st amendment illegal. They simply DISCOVER its illegal. Sadly they are proving to be about as corrupt as the rest of the system. I lost 100% of my faith in the supreme court when they decreed that eminent domain could be used to TAKE land from one private citizen to allow the state to GIVE it to another private citizen. You fail to understand that many people sadly WILL believe a law is lawful if its enforced the logic goes how could they pass it into law otherwise? This is extremely flawed and dangerous reasoning. People need to understand WE as a society (not individuals) do not BEND to the law. THE LAW bends to US. Its so critical that people understand that just because big company SAYS SO does not MAKE IT so even if they can BUY congress into passing it illegally. ALL I am saying NatCh is you have to choose your battles but before you even do that you have to be knowledgeable on the RULES of this battle field. DEFYING the DMCA in a morally justifiable way (cracking what I own and nothing mroe verse cracking an illegal copy or distributing it) are 2 different things and courts WILL recognize this difference. NO reasonable court would ever convict me of cracking the DRM on my own property (such as RIPPING a DVD) if I own that DVD and did not SHARE IT (the cracked version ie upload copy and give out etc..) It would not even get past arraignment in a reasonable court and NO lawyer worth the retainer he is paid would go forward with such a suit. NOT ONLY would they lose but it would FORCE the issue to be brought up in court and they DO NOT want that to happen. This issue is not relevant if your otherwise breaking the law (uploading etc..) MY RISK is low. The anti gun laws (all of them actually) are all illegal. there is NO exception in the constitution for ANY gun control laws. Congress Shall make NO LAW respecting the right to bear arms. That means even so much as requiring a permit or 7 day wait IS ILLEGAL. 100% of those laws are NOT in fact laws. They were void on inception. BUT again they are enforced. The ONLY exception MIGHT be a background check if you are no longer allowed to carry a gun (felony?? though I have yet to research the legality of that even) Point of fact. I LIKE the "wait" period for hand guns. Its the ONLY gun law so far I have ever found that actually serves a legitimate almost lawful purpose. It stops or slows down crimes of passion. Its still illegal according to the 2nd amendment. It says NO LAW not some laws or only laws that make sense. NO LAWS. Point is Defying the DMCA with my own property that does not violate any other laws WILL NOT result in harm to me financially or personally. Defying the DC ban on guns would certainly land me in jail and possibly get me killed. Little Movements is the way you do it. Little Movements. Defying the DMCA and refusing "bag checks" as I exit shopping stores or not providing ID to an officer just because he asks for it are "little movements" with little risk BUT they have big chances to EDUCATE the populace. Not only by being public but by ... having little risk to "trying" them out. Think of it as shareware freedoms. Except once you try them you realize they were always yours but there not free. The cost is you have to FIGHT for them. DEMAND they not be violated. With an educated populace larger movements become possible (constitutionally speaking we have a populace that is so uneducated as a whole its mentally retarded literally. :-( If we had even a HALF educated populace the president would have been immediately impeached when he signed the patriot act into law illegally (an act of treason) Most of congress would have been chased out of office as well. Last edited by nerys; 09-04-2007 at 10:43 PM.