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Originally Posted by Spoon Man
Moejoe, please allow me to make some things clear.
This is not a thread based on mind blowing stupidity, but in order to discuss a topic that we Americans find to hit home. Personally, I really don't care what you or any other countries think about us. We are who we are and there are still some of us who will not change that, or try to cover it up, just to please the intolerant masses of the world. If that makes us arrogant, so be it. Muslims are coming off as doing the same thing.
As for your generalization about our beliefs about Muslims, I know a few, as well as Hindu's, Jews, and others. People are people man, but the fact of the matter is some people tend to be less tolerant than others. The people who choose to participate in acts of terrorism do put the rest in a bad light, and that is unfortunate, but most of us actually do see it. That being said, you a rational person would not dispel the acts stated by Astra. These things DID happen, and they will CONTINUE to happen if certain areas of people get their way.
Moejoe, I sincerely disagree with your sentiments. However, you have as much of a right to them as I have to mine. In the end, I would like to believe that if we were standing together in train station or some such area and someone were to lob a grenade, I would throw myself on top of it so you can go about your life. I know many people who feel the same way, and we all happen to live in America, in the South for that matter. If that is a fascist belief than I'll stand by it and the title.
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These things did happen and they were terrible (my brother missed the train that morning where many of the people were killed). And these things happened because Muslim youth were disenfranchised, ostracised and blamed by society for earlier actions that were actually performed by American-backed, American-trained and Saudi based nutjobs who performed the horrible act on 11/09. If you think it had anything to do with religious affiliation, then you're wrong. Religion was the hook they pinned their anger upon after America so raped the middle east in the years leading up to 11/09.
Bombings were also frequent in my country from the 1960's onwards wtih IRA. And they happened far more frequently and were more devestating overall. Britain also over-reacted then by framing Irish people left right and centre. The same fear that is spread now about Muslims was spread about the Irish during the 70's and it targets the same privileged, white, middle class fears through national media. Oh, and your country, through backdoor deals and quiite brazenly through your communities supported the IRA Terrorism at the time. Shit, terrorism wasn't even a dirty word until it actually hit your shores for the first time.
And you see, it's that not caring of your initial statement that so pisses of the rest of the world. You are an Empire, and you hold the same Empire like notions that the British had at the turn of 1900's. We didn't care either. We just stomped around the world bringing tea-time and genocide with us, not caring. Saluting our bullshit flag and our bullshit royalty, while painting everyone else as subpar and often sub-human. Look how that turned out? (Of course we do still have impeccable taste and we still have the 'U's' in our language).
Salute your flag, but you're saluting a history of genocide, blood-letting, racism, bigotry, invasion and intolerance. And that's what pisses me off and others here. We come here every day and all we get is this trotting out of flags and soldiers and 'gee golly aren't we great' back patting bullshit. I don't want to hear about your stupid flag, or your stupid soldiers, or what country you're raping tomorrow - whether that's economic or cultural.
Just like every other country America invades, you and all the rest of the New Mobileread Patriots have invaded this forum and reduced it to a quasi-political, no discourse, everyone is American series of simplistic grunting, unquestioning gestures. I've lost friends here because I dared stand up to your bullshit, good friends (and because I got angry and wanted to kick a few of you in the head too - naughty pacifist that I am).
if you want to have an America-is-great orgy so badly Fox News has its own forums, you know?