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nerys · 09-01-2007, 11:41 AM

I am sorry HarrT but I will never agree. The law is wrong. I OWN the book. it is my property. I do not even slightly agree or recognize this "license" crap. The author does NOT own that book. Not one molecule of it. he ONLY owns the intellectual property rights for the content. Nothing more (I really do not care what the law says)

When I purchase a piece of property I can and will do anything I wish with it for my own use. Could you imagine buying a book where if someone else looked at it the pages went blank? or if you left your house or country the pages "blanked" etc..

NO court would ever convict me of any offense if they took me to court for downloading X novel and I brought in my 5 year old purchased copy of said novel. (as long as I WAS NOT distributing copies of it IE uploading etc.. because THAT DOES violate IPR which does not belong to me)

Liviu 5 and no one will be because its not illegal to remove DRM the DMCA is illegal. it was void the moment it was signed. Now if you are familiar with law you know that laws mean nothing enforcement is everything. SO while the DMCA is illegal and void on inception it is ENFORCED but the DRM aspect as least on an individual basis will be left unchallenged because they know it will be tossed if it gets to court since it is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. (there can be no exception to the first amendment it says congress shall make no law not congress can sometimes make law)

I do not suggest directly anyone do what I do. Again laws are meaningless enforcement is everything.

But I have principles and I will NOT permit my PROPERTY rights to be taken from me.

When I buy a CD I OWN that CD and everything on it. Period
When I buy a DVD I OWN that DVD and everything in it. Period
When I buy a BOok I OWN that book and everything in it. Period
When I buy a Watch I own that watch and everything in it. Period
When I buy a Car House Fish whatever I OWN those things and everything in them. Period

These things are NOT different from each other. Contrary to the propoganda engine and distortion field these companies have constructed owning a book or cd is absolutely NO different than owning a car or the watch on your wrist.

ALL objects have 2 forms of property ownership. I call these IPR and PPR

PPR is Personal Property Rights ie we own what we buy
IPR is Intellectual Property Rights

IPR applies EQUALLY to both material and intellectual. its called PATENTS and COPYRIGHT

When I buy a ford van I can and will do anything I want to it. Change the wheels Modify it alter it and this is all legal. Convert it to diesel etc..

When I buy a book the SAME THING applies. Alter it transcode it (txt format etc..) its MY BOOK I can and will do as I please.

NOW of I start selling that text copy (even for free ie $0) I am now NOT dealing with my PPR but the authors IPR because now I m generating new works and distributing.

THE SAME as if I went to china with my ford van had it copied and started selling and or giving away copies of it.

BOTH illegal and rightly so because they violate IPR which I DO NOT OWN.

NO license NO terms NO contracts. JUST the law simple as that.

Corporations have ALTERED reality and created this FICTIONAL NON EXISTANT "license" to the content. Your not buying the content (like hell I am not) crap that some sheeple have just accepted as fact when its in fact fiction.

NOW as for P2P thats another issue while I do use it out of necessity I do not delude myself. its 100% illegal to share copyrighted content without permission (I do not however believe so firmly its illegal to download I refer to the upload though under current law its also illegal to download)

This is because you generated NEW COPIES of a work and your selling them (yes your selling them for $0 but thats semantic and irrelevant as you do not have to profit to violate)

As far as I am concerned you can make as many copies of your property as you want so long as you do not share them.

People need to wake up and understand this or they will LOSE there rights and not even know it.

A book from a legal perspective is NO different than a CD OR DVD

ask a judge if there is a "license" on that book. Can the publishers dictate if you can cut pages out of it? Scan it into your computer to blow up so your grandmom can read it? Restrict where and who can read it?

He might even laugh at you and go off course not. SO how does this suddenly "change" when its Music or Video? it does not but they WANT it to.

There is No "license" on books cd or dvd or even software when you buy it thats a FICTION put forth by corporations.

I do not recognize them Will not accept them. I also do not recognize one sided non negotiable contracts. Thats what we call ultimatums not contracts.

When I RENT a dvd or cd fine have a license thats why I do not like renting. :-)

My statements may not be enforcible but I consider them to be legal and moral.

Again lawful and legal are meaningless ENFORCEABLE is everything.

Consider the DMCA Patriot Acts Gun Laws Speech laws are all illegal. But they are enforced. see the difference :-)

I walk a fine line. Example I do not recognize "activation" of my operating system as legal. I install "cracked" copies of windows XP on all my computers. IN my desk draw I have 5 shrinkwrapped copies of windows xp PRO. (I even bought a copy for my laptop that came with XP Home because my cracked copy is PRO so I bought another pro copy)

That is where they will stay. I am confident no judge would ever convict me if I showed by computers running XP and 5 legal copies of XP still in shrinkwrap.

I just do not recognize "Licenses" and "terms" and "activation" as lawful.

Since I can not alter the "laws" I can only defy them and do what is right. When enough people defy them the laws will change or become moot.

I will never buy a DRM'd book I will never buy a DRM'd CD

I will never buy n HD Movie (until it is thoroughly and completely cracked like DVD is)

I was very late in buying a DVD player because I refused to buy DRM. I am taking a harder stance on HD I will probably NOT buy HD movies until they are offered UNPROTECTED. I will NOT voluntarily give up my Property Rights. I do not recognize there right to TAKE them from me.

09-01-2007, 11:41 AM	#22
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	I am sorry HarrT but I will never agree. The law is wrong. I OWN the book. it is my property. I do not even slightly agree or recognize this "license" crap. The author does NOT own that book. Not one molecule of it. he ONLY owns the intellectual property rights for the content. Nothing more (I really do not care what the law says) When I purchase a piece of property I can and will do anything I wish with it for my own use. Could you imagine buying a book where if someone else looked at it the pages went blank? or if you left your house or country the pages "blanked" etc.. NO court would ever convict me of any offense if they took me to court for downloading X novel and I brought in my 5 year old purchased copy of said novel. (as long as I WAS NOT distributing copies of it IE uploading etc.. because THAT DOES violate IPR which does not belong to me) Liviu 5 and no one will be because its not illegal to remove DRM the DMCA is illegal. it was void the moment it was signed. Now if you are familiar with law you know that laws mean nothing enforcement is everything. SO while the DMCA is illegal and void on inception it is ENFORCED but the DRM aspect as least on an individual basis will be left unchallenged because they know it will be tossed if it gets to court since it is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. (there can be no exception to the first amendment it says congress shall make no law not congress can sometimes make law) I do not suggest directly anyone do what I do. Again laws are meaningless enforcement is everything. But I have principles and I will NOT permit my PROPERTY rights to be taken from me. When I buy a CD I OWN that CD and everything on it. Period When I buy a DVD I OWN that DVD and everything in it. Period When I buy a BOok I OWN that book and everything in it. Period When I buy a Watch I own that watch and everything in it. Period When I buy a Car House Fish whatever I OWN those things and everything in them. Period These things are NOT different from each other. Contrary to the propoganda engine and distortion field these companies have constructed owning a book or cd is absolutely NO different than owning a car or the watch on your wrist. ALL objects have 2 forms of property ownership. I call these IPR and PPR PPR is Personal Property Rights ie we own what we buy IPR is Intellectual Property Rights IPR applies EQUALLY to both material and intellectual. its called PATENTS and COPYRIGHT When I buy a ford van I can and will do anything I want to it. Change the wheels Modify it alter it and this is all legal. Convert it to diesel etc.. When I buy a book the SAME THING applies. Alter it transcode it (txt format etc..) its MY BOOK I can and will do as I please. NOW of I start selling that text copy (even for free ie $0) I am now NOT dealing with my PPR but the authors IPR because now I m generating new works and distributing. THE SAME as if I went to china with my ford van had it copied and started selling and or giving away copies of it. BOTH illegal and rightly so because they violate IPR which I DO NOT OWN. NO license NO terms NO contracts. JUST the law simple as that. Corporations have ALTERED reality and created this FICTIONAL NON EXISTANT "license" to the content. Your not buying the content (like hell I am not) crap that some sheeple have just accepted as fact when its in fact fiction. NOW as for P2P thats another issue while I do use it out of necessity I do not delude myself. its 100% illegal to share copyrighted content without permission (I do not however believe so firmly its illegal to download I refer to the upload though under current law its also illegal to download) This is because you generated NEW COPIES of a work and your selling them (yes your selling them for $0 but thats semantic and irrelevant as you do not have to profit to violate) As far as I am concerned you can make as many copies of your property as you want so long as you do not share them. People need to wake up and understand this or they will LOSE there rights and not even know it. A book from a legal perspective is NO different than a CD OR DVD ask a judge if there is a "license" on that book. Can the publishers dictate if you can cut pages out of it? Scan it into your computer to blow up so your grandmom can read it? Restrict where and who can read it? He might even laugh at you and go off course not. SO how does this suddenly "change" when its Music or Video? it does not but they WANT it to. There is No "license" on books cd or dvd or even software when you buy it thats a FICTION put forth by corporations. I do not recognize them Will not accept them. I also do not recognize one sided non negotiable contracts. Thats what we call ultimatums not contracts. When I RENT a dvd or cd fine have a license thats why I do not like renting. :-) My statements may not be enforcible but I consider them to be legal and moral. Again lawful and legal are meaningless ENFORCEABLE is everything. Consider the DMCA Patriot Acts Gun Laws Speech laws are all illegal. But they are enforced. see the difference :-) I walk a fine line. Example I do not recognize "activation" of my operating system as legal. I install "cracked" copies of windows XP on all my computers. IN my desk draw I have 5 shrinkwrapped copies of windows xp PRO. (I even bought a copy for my laptop that came with XP Home because my cracked copy is PRO so I bought another pro copy) That is where they will stay. I am confident no judge would ever convict me if I showed by computers running XP and 5 legal copies of XP still in shrinkwrap. I just do not recognize "Licenses" and "terms" and "activation" as lawful. Since I can not alter the "laws" I can only defy them and do what is right. When enough people defy them the laws will change or become moot. I will never buy a DRM'd book I will never buy a DRM'd CD I will never buy n HD Movie (until it is thoroughly and completely cracked like DVD is) I was very late in buying a DVD player because I refused to buy DRM. I am taking a harder stance on HD I will probably NOT buy HD movies until they are offered UNPROTECTED. I will NOT voluntarily give up my Property Rights. I do not recognize there right to TAKE them from me.