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Originally Posted by Iphinome
Don't you think it borders on cruel to do something only because someone else finds it unpleasant?
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What? You! A PIRATE!? You're worried that if someone finds something unpleasant that it borders on CRUEL? Heaven and Hell, have we raised worms instead of men? Cattle instead of warriors? I'll bet your capn' is right ashamed of your.
What's "unpleasant"? I have spent many a sunday afternoon visiting elderly relatives as my parents performed their fillial duties. I was confined to dusty, medicinal- and mold-smelling houses, too cold or too warm for my "comfort", with no toys or books, and only a younger brother to torment to keep brain activity going. I had to eat what they ate -- all grown-up food, I had to stay and listen to the old folks discuss stupid stuff.
If THAT wasn't unpleasant, then I don't know what was. It wasn't painful, tho. What about the time I got a fishhook through my finger. The dangers of having an enthusiastic little brother. I had to keep it that way for about an hour with the trip to find mom, get the other kids watched over, take me to the hostipal, wait for a doctor, have him and mom discuss it, an xray, then the SOB distracted me and pushed that sucker clearn through! Nipped off the end and slid the barbless hook out. Then lots of smelly, burny liquids got poured on, and a couple of shots, and then sitting there stinging while mom did some paperwork with the doctor. Then the right home with a finger that burned and stung but had no senses. THAT was unpleasant.
Oh, and that time that I asked that cute girl out to a dance at school, and after we had danced a couple of times, her old boy friend came up and wanted to talk to her. She didn't want to go back with him, and she rode with me, and I was supposed to protect her and bring her back and they were causing a scene, and I still hadn't had anything to drink and the music sucked, and a bunch of guys I knew saw us and were ragging me about grabbing her and punching him out and stupid stuff. Then he wanted to fight me, and then he started crying, and then some teachers came over and everybody had to talk to each teacher, etc. and then in the end, I had to drive them BOTH back to their houses, and she didn't sit up front with me, but sat in back and whispered and held hands with Xboy. When I dropped him off, she got out too, and I left alone.
Not THAT was hurtful, unpleasant, depressing, and a whole bunch of emo words, if I cared to get them.
Did I tell you about having my wisdom teeth extracted by a colonel who really didn't give a crap about teeth, and certainly didn't want to deal with little boys, and when he pulled them, he didn't pack the sockets, leading to dry sockets that lasted for weeks.
Did you hear that some kids don't want to go down for naps? They find them unpleasant. And some kids refuse to eat anything but the one food (not necessarilly the good food) all the time. When parents try to force the kids to eat different things, those kids are having an unpleasant and cruel experience.
I find having to work for a living cruel and unpleasant, but the stupid people at work don't want to pay me if I don't come in a work. Talk about screwed up! Don't they know what they're doing to me?
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Originally Posted by Iphinome
Pink underwear and classical music are minor I'm not suggesting a lawsuit but at the same time a prisoner doesn't cease to be human and misery for misery's sake isn't justice it's sadism. I'm not saying make jail pleasant I'm saying that since the court didn't impose a sentence of pink underwear common sense says make the standard issue stuff whatever looks best for the budget.
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If they go to prison, they are being punished. Punishment isn't just "i'm going to make you get up early, and give you some free time. Then you'll sit still in that room over there for 8 hours a day, then You'll get a dinner and have 4 hours free time, then it's lights out."
"That's harsh! I'm calling my lawyer!"
"You're right, son. The whole world is gone mad! I heard of a guy that murdered a whole family = mom, dad, older daughter, and young child -- on Christmas Eve. He and accomplises kidnapped 'em, took 'em into the basement, tied them up, and tortured and killed them one by one.
In the beginning, they took away his cable tv access, but the ACLU folks came in and fixed it all right. Now they have to pay for the premium channels.
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Originally Posted by Iphinome
Also keep in mind we're talking about jail not prison, jail being the place for petty offenders and persons awaiting trial. If you would concede that perhaps innocent persons do face trial could i get you to agree that moving from mere confinement to something unpleasant for unpleasantness' sake is doing a disservice to those who need to prepare a court defense?
Just a thought.
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Ah. Yes. "petty offenders and, while awaiting trial."
Petty offenders... maybe they will be traumatized by the pink dinkie experiments that they will no longer be abel to behave in a dishonest/harmful way! Perfect! They do the crime, they get sentenced to the time, they do the pink undies, they get embarssaed, they learn to associate embarrassment with crime, and then they're unable to committ crime without feeling the unpleasantness of conscience.
Those needing to prepare a court defense? Seriously? We're locking up lawyers now? Wow! We may have more hope than I thought.
"ah, judge, I was going to prepare a court's defence today, but, I don't know, I've been feeling a little pink around the gills, if you know what I mean..."
"Son, I notice you have pink underwear on. What did you do?"
"Violent assault.