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Assumption: Only the "law enforcement community" must enforce this law. This is untrue. Everyone paid by the state is required to enforce this law.
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Point that out. That's not what I understood from what I've read from the published law.
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Assumption: They they were not already being abusive. Heard of Joe Arpaio? I certainly have, and I'm not even American.
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What's he got to with the new law? Sure he's had his issues with the abuse of power, but I fail to see where this new law sanctions any of his past actions. Certainly NOT having this law didn't prevent a bully from being a bully.
That's why we need civilian oversight of our law enforcement community. The laws themselves don't allow the abuse, it's bad apples, or good apples making a bad decision or over reacting that we need to work on, otherwise by your logic we should apparently eliminate ALL laws as the laws themselves are causing the abuse of police power.
Also as far as Joe is concerned not all of what he did was bad, some of it made a heck of a lot of sense, like making prison "unpleasant" and actually enforcing existing laws, or stiffening certain laws in an effort to reduce the practice of those who were breaking those laws.
The Coyote laws that were passed were done in an effort to curb the reported 1.4
BILLION per year human trafficking industry in AZ. There's plenty of examples of these people being snuck over illegally, being held hostage until more money is paid to the smugglers.
Make the penalty sever enough to both the coyote AND the person conspiring to enter this country illegally and maybe more of an effort will be made to enter this country LEGALLY.
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Assumption: "On the spot". Has not been stated in this thread, and certainly not by me.
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That's the impression I'm left with in reading a lot of the posts in this thread.
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Assumption: Committing crimes does not affect your immigration status. It does. This will lead to people who were legal immigrants being deported simply because of this law.
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Explain to me where in the law it states this? If you could quote it, I may have missed it, and if I did I'd like it pointed out.
Assumption: That anyone stated this in this thread, again I have not. I've made the point that, through no fault of their own, many perfectly legal immigrants are committing a crime under this law because of Federal paperwork processing delays.
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Assumption: That there was ever anyone in this thread saying anything of the sort. At all.
Also, for the record, what is your take on Apartheid and the Jim Crow laws?
Hm, and why might that be? Also, well done, you've managed to Godwin your own argument.
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I believe those are no longer moot in the US. There is no apartheid, nor any active "Jim Crow" laws in this US that I am aware of, and have not been so for quite some time prior to AZ enacting this law, so you'll need to explain the relevancy of the question.
Since neither, to my knowledge, addressed enforcement of federal immigration laws.
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Yea, no wonder you're confused. See, for starters, there are these things called legal immigrants and they're not the same as illegal ones...
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So we have to not even bother going after the ILLEGAL immigrants for fear of offending the occassional legal immigrant? Again, we'd better remove all radar detectors and remove speed enforcement laws for fear we pull someone over who according to his spedometer wasn't speeding...
I think not...