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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward
Our disagreement is who is granting who rights... I feel that the US was founded upon the citizens granting the government rights, from the anarchistic freedoms naturally endowed "by the creator" (to quote Jefferson); not the government granting the citizens rights (as the government sees fit) from the total control the government has over the people under it's dominion.
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I think you need to take a look at what's been changing in the US over the past 15-20 years. It is no longer a government run
by the people, and hasn't been for quite a long time.
There was a time when the police were require to show 'probable cause' before searching you, your house, or your car. No longer.
There was a time when a person on the street couldn't be picked up by un-identified people, detained without explanation, and detained for more than 48 hours without 'due process.' No longer.
And guaranteed legal representation within a reasonable time period. No longer. "Bill of Rights?" Not any more.
All that is required now to violate these 'inalienable rights' is for a legal body to say 'hey, he may be a terrorist!' And WE didn't even have a chance to vote to accept or reject this law... It just snuck through on the coat-tails of an emergency law passed in the wake of 9/11. It was supposed to end after one year, but the law was written that if it wasn't voted AGAINST after one year it became permanent. Do YOU remember anyone telling you that the voting was going to take place?
So now it's a FEDERAL CRIME to argue with a stewardess...
Stitchawl