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Thank you, they are both ligatures by you own quote. Just different kinds. I know that we were talking about stylistic ligatures until Harry brought up the other kind and he didn't know about stylistic ligatures at all so I was explaining the difference. However, then the discussion said that only stylistic ligatures are ligatures and that is wrong as by your quote there are lexical ligatures. I am fine with that distinction. It was only stylistic ligatures that I meant when I said they should not be used in a source file.
Dale
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