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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Yes, and that's why a massive amount of people DON'T use "advanced", and just ignore the "advanced" formatting options.

Which is perfectly fine. If what you're writing is plain text, that's what it should be.

Indeed, this forum is unusual these days in that it shows the tags. Most of the forums I use simply display the formatting in the edit box. Heck, 99% of my Foswiki editing these days doesn't involve dropping into tag-editing mode.

These are precisely the kinds of editors I'm advocating for casual users. (NOT for professional publishers.) These are not WYSIWYG, since you're limited in the tags you can choose to semantic relevant ones, not to mention that the line breaks, exact placement, etc., will be different once hitting submit. (Or you resize your browser window.) Everything will look different if the CSS is changed.

You're advocating non-WYSIWYG interfaces and CSS-as-a-good-soloution. No?

Quasi-WYSIWYG (WYSIWYM), with GUIs to edit CSS, yes.

CSS is great. For example, I override MobilRead's CSS and so for me it looks like this:



We should have such control over ebooks, yes.

Still waiting on the CSS editor which has an intuitive interface...

Here's what I mean by a GUI to edit CSS. I couldn't find one accessible to everyone online, but there's one built into the software faculty can use to build course webpages at the university at which I teach. Basically it looks like this. There is a sample display with a generic title, a generic subtitle, a generic table, a generic paragraph, and so on. You click on these and a pop-up box where choose the color, font, font-size you'd prefer. This style is then uniformly applied to all the content on the site. Students with disabilities, however, can override your choices with ones with greater contrast, or a larger font, etc.

Sure, it doesn't give you as much control as writing the CSS yourself, but it's definitely good enough for casual users to design their own pages.

The important thing is that this is kept separate from the interfaces where you add content.

I'm not interested in yet another app which doesn't do WYSIWYG editing, designed for a specialist market. Especially one which uses TeX, not a XML-based markup language.

What differences does it make what mark-up language it uses? You don't have to edit it directly, that was the point. (And it has a function to export to HTML.)

In any case, if you're going to make accusations about something, shouldn't you know what it is?