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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
No, you're suggesting that the vast majority of people don't use WYSIWYG editors for working with day to day.
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I never suggested anything remotely like that. In fact, you are, because you suggested none exist.
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I strongly disagree. Only very specialist applications - and I'm talking the equivalent of brain surgery - should need to deviate one iota from WYSIWYG.
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No argument for this conclusion. Typical.
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Where are they? The WYWIWYG web editors, that is? Find some modern ones and you'll be right. The issue is well known.
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I haven't looked much into it... but Dreamweaver? KomPozer? Google docs? Any widely used WordProcessor that can export to HTML? Aren't most websites made this way?
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I didn't say it was. I am objecting to the implementation, not the concept. For example, you don't have to allow free editing of font size etc, but instead use a style editor...
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What you are describing is precisely what I suggested earlier.
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And nuts - you can work with stylesets perfectly well in word. You can also chose not to, sure, which is messy. It's down to the GUI and how the user uses the program, and you're mixing up "sloppy" and "WYSIWYG" - when you're not using something like CSS which is very very hard to use in a WYWIWYG environment!
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I didn't say you couldn't do it with WYSIWYG, only that it is not encouraged--the sloppiness is encouraged instead. Someone who uses styles consistently with a Word Processor is still going to get decent output. In fact,
I made precisely this point in another thread.
I think at that point, however, it's just easier to see the mark-up, however.
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The difference is, with a sane standard in place of CSS, people wouldn't need web designers for even the simplest web sites. And of course we can't have THAT. /Sarcasm.
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It is you, not I, that is arguing in favor of depriving most people the ability to create typographically proper documents. WYSIWYM editors are easy to use, and could be passed into something that used that source to create nice looking and typographically correct documents.
It is entirely possible to have a very easy to use GUI for creating and modifying CSS -- so long as that was kept separate from the content creation part of things, all would be well.