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Originally Posted by Iphinome

I keep telling you there's no right to make money none, never has been. You have the right to try.

I never said people have a right to make money. What I'm saying is people don't have a right to OWN stuff others created for sale if they don't PAY for it.

Someone decides to write a book and try to sale, there's no guarantee's they'll make any money. But no one should be reading that book without buying it unless the author changes his mind and decides to give it away.

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I think it's a disgusting example of greed to think the only purpose of creativity is to milk every dollar and every bit of control out of something in perpetuity.
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And I think it's a disgusting example of self entitlement to expect that others should create stuff, and not be able to make money off it for the rest of their lives just so you/the public can be cheapskates and enjoy it without paying for it.

Again, no one is forcing someone to write, paint, make music, make movies etc. to make a profit. They don't have to get their works copyrighted

People can and do create just because they enjoy it. But those who choose to do it for money, own the rights to their material and no one should get it without paying for it. They're not guaranteed money, but they've decided to try and copyright their material, so it's there's until they die.

Short copyright encourages creative people to get off their ass and create more, it also gives them more to work with.

Those with the talent to make a ton of money creating works will just say the hell with it and stop if copyrights don't last very long and others can make money off their works. No point in busting ass in that system. We live in a capitalist world. The majority of people want to get paid as much as they can for their talents. No band that can sign a multi-million dollar record deal, for example, is going to say no and keep playing clubs on the weekends for fun. Money, wealth and fame are the main driving incentives to humans. Start letting others take their work and sell it without them seeing a dime by putting work in the public domain while their alive and you'll see creativity stymied as more talented folks just quit making stuff and live off the money they made already.

It gives to society as a whole in the form of older works to cherish and in the form of newer works based in varying amounts on the older ones since creativity doesn't happen in a vacuum it comes out of the surrounding culture.

Society can enjoy them from the start. They can buy them (books and movies and cds etc. are pretty inexpensive), they can get them for free at the library, they can borrow them from a friend etc. etc. Stuff doesn't have to go into the public domain for society to cherish and enjoy works. That's a bunch of hogwash.


But I'm done talking about this with you as we're just polar opposites. I'm a raging capitalist (though I do lean socialist on things like taxes and health care etc.) and will support copyrights and rights of content holders to the death, and you seem more of the communist leaning of all works being public property which I find revolting.

So no sense in us butting heads when neither of us respects the other's point of view given the tone of our posts.