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Originally Posted by Sonist
My point doesn't really have anything to do with a company. I don't care about Adobe, but I do care that many of the sites I go to are not supported at all, or only partially supported, on the iPhone.
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then maybe you should drop those sites a note and tell them they don't support the platforms you use? or find other sites to visit.
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While I can put up with it on the iPhone, on the iPad this would be unacceptable. I would imagine, many others, who may not even know what Flash is, would be irate, when their new "internet gadget" cannot display significant portions of web content.
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ok.
you find it unacceptable. but don't project your feelings on "many others". especially when many people don't know, or care, what flash even is.
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As to kilron's surprise that most see the "millions of iPhones and iPod touches that are sold every quarter as miniscule?" - yes, it is. In the US, mobile browsers account for just over 1.3% of site hits, and for less worldwide. Worldwide, Nokia has by far the greatest browser share, with Opera mobile second.
Then there is Android, which is coming in at full force in 2010, with tons of new models. Android's share in the last 2 months of 2009 shot up 54.8%, to BlackBerrys's 22.2%, and iPhone's 20.1% increase.
Of the big ones, only the iPhone will not be capable of supporting full Flash 10. And of course, it looks like the iPad will be without Flash support.
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fyi android doesn't yet support flash. and android's share going "up 54.8%" just means they went from 2 to 3. (there are lies, damn lies, and statistics)
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If Jobs thinks this is not going to hurt the iPhone, and particularly the iPad, he is in for a nasty surprise, IMO.
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hmm. hasn't hurt sales so far. iphones and ipod touches sell like hotcakes. 25.7million units in 2009 worldwide according to one article i read.
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BTW, people who turn off Flash are hardcore, indeed, in the sense that they are in a tiny, tiny minority of Flash-haters. Right up there with the "typewriter forever" and the "flat-earth" societies.... 
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when you have to resort to personal attacks, you've already lost your argument.