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Originally Posted by Sonist

Whether it's proprietary, or open, doesn't have anything to do with the standard. Jobs pronouncements are even less relevant.

you can say his pronouncements are less relevant, but that doesn't make it so. and being open or not has A LOT to do with the standard, as in, its NOT a true standard. it IS an ubiquitous internet protocol, but not a true standard because of its closed nature. that's a major part of the problem. the other part is adobe itself. they bitch and complain and yet don't actually DO anything to fix the issue.

Flash works on virtually every computer in the world and content providers and developers know this.

works? yes. works well? now that's another story.

it also depends on your definition of a "computer". the term is broadening each day, and the more devices that are included, the more flash's saturation percentage falls.

Originally Posted by Sonist

Well, except that Mobile Safari doesn't do Flash, which is a HUUUGE hole in its compliance.

by whom? you're making a big assumption here that everyone loves flash.

People grudgingly accept the lack of Flash on the iPhone, because most don't use it to browse the web heavily, plus until Flash 10, the mobile Flash experience has been marginal.

with flash 10 (and we'll see how much integration it actually gets), the mobile surfing experience isn't going to improve much, if at all. so much of web flash integration is based on large computer screens (13"+) with a mouse. so right off the bat you're dealing with an issue of integration and another reason why flash isn't necessary, especially on mobile platforms.

But the iPad is being marketed as "the best way to experience the web." At which it would totally fail, since most major sites have important features in Flash, which will be unavailable on the iPad.

if by "important features" you mean "lots and lots of paid advertising", then yes, that would be correct. video is adapting too as the push for the h.264 is growing.

Moreover, HTML5 will not completely replace Flash, even when widely adopted. Flash just does a lot of things which will be very hard, or impossible to do in HTML5.

you're making 2 assumptions here. first, you're assuming that its a bad thing, and secondly, you're assuming that developers won't adapt and find a better way. what makes you so sure of those 2 assumptions?

IMO, the lack of Flash is the Achilles heel of the iPad.

it hasn't seemed to have had a large detrimental effect on the iPhone and iPod touch. why makes you think the iPad would be different? because it has a larger screen?